Someone learns ZB??

[4Chan]

My own satisfaction and the support of others is the prize~

 

[iSpinz]

I have 2 questions

Is recognition hard?

Why choose ZB?

 

[4Chan]

Depends on the recognition method:

EC (Edge Cycle) recognition can be done sub second.

But Dan/Jason's recognition has potential to be as fast, if not faster than PLL because you only look at the case, and 4 stickers.

I chose ZB because I wanted to explore new methods, and also a good challenge.

 

[Edward]

Is that a WR record. If so, how would they prove it?
I wonder...

 

[Cyrus C.]

Is that a WR record. If so, how would they prove it?
I wonder...

What world record are you talking about?

 

[Edward]

Is that a WR record. If so, how would they prove it?
I wonder...

What world record are you talking about?

Most algorithms learned in the world.

 

[aronpm]

That's a very arbitrary world record. Any well-defined move to perform a task is an algorithm. So, R is an algorithm, because it is well-defined move and it performs a clockwise 4-cycle of edges, a clockwise 4-cycle of corners and a clockwise twist of the center. Also, you could just make up commutators while recalling all the algorithms you know.

 

[4Chan]

What he said^
That was actually 5 times more well worded than what I was going to say. (x

I have the UWR for ZBLL time attack. You can prove that you know ZBLL that way. That's a record I guess, but it's super trivial. It's also easy to beat at 49 minutes.

 

[Tim Major]

Does ZB_FTW still use ZB?

I have never used ZB!

 

[rubiknewbie]

Does ZB_FTW still use ZB?

I have never used ZB!

Oh! I thought you have it 50% learned or something .

 

[rubiknewbie]

They need to set up a new record for knowledge of most different algorithms to complete a LL or something.

I have 2 questions

Is recognition hard?

Why choose ZB?

In theory, it allows you to skip steps and so solve in less moves.
Instead of:
cross + slot1 + slot2 + slot3 + slot4 + OLL + PLL

it is:
cross + slot1 + slot2 + slot3 + ZBF2L + ZBLL

Does ZB_FTW still use
ZB?

I have never used ZB!

Oh! I thought you have it 50% learned or something .

 

[Faz]

Does ZB_FTW still use ZB?

I have never used ZB!

Oh! I thought you have it 50% learned or something .

No, he's just stupid.

 

[irontwig]

Is that a WR record. If so, how would they prove it?
I wonder...

Hai Yan Zhuang claims to know 1000+ algs.

 

[eastamazonantidote]

Question for you guys: Should ZBLL algs include AUF after the alg?

For example: C/C case of T orientation, COLL BBFF:
R' U R U2 R' U2 R' U' R U' R' U2 R U2 R U

Should that U be there at the end? In PLL it is necessary, as you set it up a certain way (having trouble explaining this). With practice of course, you shouldn't need that last U/U'/U2 in the alg itself, as you can recognize from other angles, but the base case (the first one you learned) still requires the AUF after the alg.

However, in ZBLL (Harris/Baum recognition) you don't have a base case - only the top layer matters, not how it is relative to the rest of the cube (well...sorta). It is understood that AUF may be necessary after performing you alg, and as an expert method doesn't need to be explained.

BUT, edge-cycle recognition (at least at first) performs AdL (Adjust d Layers) before the alg so as to line up the UFR corner correctly before performing the case to ease recognition, which is the same principle as PLL AUF inclusions. This form of recognition does have base cases, and so AUF should be included.

So what do you guys think? Hope what I wrote made sense. It's rather hard to put it in words...

 

[Cyrus C.]

Question for you guys: Should ZBLL algs include AUF after the alg?

For example: C/C case of T orientation, COLL BBFF:
R' U R U2 R' U2 R' U' R U' R' U2 R U2 R U

Should that U be there at the end? In PLL it is necessary, as you set it up a certain way (having trouble explaining this). With practice of course, you shouldn't need that last U/U'/U2 in the alg itself, as you can recognize from other angles, but the base case (the first one you learned) still requires the AUF after the alg.

However, in ZBLL (Harris/Baum recognition) you don't have a base case - only the top layer matters, not how it is relative to the rest of the cube (well...sorta). It is understood that AUF may be necessary after performing you alg, and as an expert method doesn't need to be explained.

BUT, edge-cycle recognition (at least at first) performs AdL (Adjust d Layers) before the alg so as to line up the UFR corner correctly before performing the case to ease recognition, which is the same principle as PLL AUF inclusions. This form of recognition does have base cases, and so AUF should be included.

So what do you guys think? Hope what I wrote made sense. It's rather hard to put it in words...

No AUF would make ZBLL 490+ moves less intimidating.

 

[Cride5]

Does ZB_FTW still use ZB?

I have never used ZB!

That made me lol :fp

 

[Cyrus C.]

Does ZB_FTW still use ZB?

I have never used ZB!

That made me lol :fp

Yea, even before ZB_FTW!!! Posted I was laughing at edward.

 

[4Chan]

Eastamazonantidote, I didn't see this thread reply earlier, but I understand completely.

After a while, you can predict it though. Many algorithms even with the AdL, I can predict the final AUF. With enough practice, I assume you could avoid 60% of it.

That number was a guess by the way, but it was an educated guess, based on hundreds of hours of practice.

 

[Edward]

Does ZB_FTW still use ZB?

I have never used ZB!

That made me lol :fp

Yea, even before ZB_FTW!!! Posted I was laughing at edward.

I assumed he was trying ZB. Look at his user name duh.

 

[Cyrus C.]

Does ZB_FTW still use ZB?

I have never used ZB!

That made me lol :fp

Yea, even before ZB_FTW!!! Posted I was laughing at edward.

I assumed he was trying ZB. Look at his user name duh.

You know what they say about people that assume.

I guess you could say that Felik's uses the faz method, since his username say that it rulz.