How much slower/faster are you when you replace M-slices

[rubiknewbie]

When you change M2 to r2 R2', how does you time change?

Take H perm for example,

How fast are you doing:

M2' U M2' U2 M2' U M2' (or some variations)

vs

r2 R2' U' r2 R2' U2 r2 R2' U' r2 R2' (or some variations)

 

[Edward]

I'm about 2 seconds faster using M slices than I am using r2 R2.

 

[Faz]

M2: 1.16, 1.11
L2/l2: 1.19, 1.33

H perms.

I would usually use the l2 one in solves, because I usually fail at H perms in speedsolves.

 

[blah]

I'm about 2 seconds faster using M slices than I am using r2 R2.

You take more than 2 seconds to do r2 R2?

 

[Edward]

I'm about 2 seconds faster using M slices than I am using r2 R2.

You take more than 2 seconds to do r2 R2?

I'm not used to them. Ive been using the M version since I started learning H-perms, and never even tried r2 R2

 

[cmhardw]

In 2004 at the US Nationals Macky showed us how he had perfected doing r2/R2 using only one wrist flick (for fun, not really so much to be used in a speedsolve). Basically you flick r2 with the wrist then pull R2 with your fingers as you near the wrist turn. He was quite fast at it, but if I remember correctly he said he didn't think it was stable enough for speedsolves.

Dan Harris and Frank Morris are pretty fast with the r2/R2 stuff, but I personally prefer M2.

Chris

 

[blah]

In 2004 at the US Nationals Macky showed us how he had perfected doing r2/R2 using only one wrist flick (for fun, not really so much to be used in a speedsolve). Basically you flick r2 with the wrist then pull R2 with your fingers as you near the wrist turn. He was quite fast at it, but if I remember correctly he said he didn't think it was stable enough for speedsolves.

Dan Harris and Frank Morris are pretty fast with the r2/R2 stuff, but I personally prefer M2.

Chris

How do you flick r2 with your wrist?

 

[Tim Major]

In 2004 at the US Nationals Macky showed us how he had perfected doing r2/R2 using only one wrist flick (for fun, not really so much to be used in a speedsolve). Basically you flick r2 with the wrist then pull R2 with your fingers as you near the wrist turn. He was quite fast at it, but if I remember correctly he said he didn't think it was stable enough for speedsolves.

Dan Harris and Frank Morris are pretty fast with the r2/R2 stuff, but I personally prefer M2.

Chris

How do you flick r2 with your wrist?

It's Frank Morris we're talking about. And I think he means flick your wrist.

 

[aronpm]

Obviously I called it "M2 method" because of the prominent M2 move. I actually do it as L(l'M') like Joel van Noort once suggested, with my left ring finger pulling the M'.

I do M2 slices like that, it's so much more comfortable like that than just doing M2 or r2 R2. I also do the same kind of thing when I do an r2 slice in 4x4x4 PLL parity.

 

[rubiknewbie]

I find M more energy efficient though less reliable especially on a non-lubricated cube (but don't blame it on the cube as they say). So on average I actually end up preferring r2 R2' or L2 l2' (almost identical).

Besides, r2 R2' feels sexier with U because of the "helicopter" thingy. I like the way Joshua Li does the H perm in 1 of the videos. I don't watch a lot of videos by the way they are mostly too fast to be any use . I need to dig out some better programs for watching videos.

 

[richardzhang]

M2 U':1.35
r2 R2':2.34

Nuff said!

 

[Forte]

M2 U':1.35
r2 R2':2.34

Nuff said!

Not nuff practice!

 

[blah]

Can anyone do (M U)*4 sub-1?

Me.

I would like to meet more such people who do M U faster than M' U.

 

[Forte]

Can anyone do (M U)*4 sub-1?

Me.

I would like to meet more such people who do M U faster than M' U.

I would too.

ohai Chester

 

[rubiknewbie]

Wow. (MU)*4. I wouldn't imagine doing that, probably like 8 seconds for me :fp.

 

[rubiknewbie]

Obviously I called it "M2 method" because of the prominent M2 move. I actually do it as L(l'M') like Joel van Noort once suggested, with my left ring finger pulling the M'.

I do M2 slices like that, it's so much more comfortable like that than just doing M2 or r2 R2. I also do the same kind of thing when I do an r2 slice in 4x4x4 PLL parity.

Oh haven't tried doing it like that. I'll try. I always do M2' with right ring and middle finger.

 

[qqwref]

A typical good time for me with the M2-trigger is around 2.1 and a typical good time with l2L2 is around 1.7. So the l2L2 is faster for me.

 

[waffle=ijm]

Can anyone do (M U)*4 sub-1?

Me.

I would like to meet more such people who do M U faster than M' U.

ahem.

Anywho. I double turn M2 (most of the time) and I use Roux...which is a lot of M-slices

 

[cmhardw]

How do you flick r2 with your wrist?

:confused:

Um.. You place your right index finger on the F stickers of the UFR and UF pieces, your right ring finger on the U pieces of URB and UB and turn the R and M layers at the same time using your wrist. So your forearm stays more or less stationary and your wrist spins clockwise, moving your fingers away from you.

You basically just turn the face with your wrist, I think maybe I don't fully understand your question?

Chris

 

[Daniel Wu]

I find Lw2 L2' to be faster than M2 for me.