Waffle's Roux Tutorial

[JTW2007]

There's just one thing that I find difficult about this method: How to you do M/ M' on big cubes. I have an Eastsheen and all the slices get out of alignment with each other resulting in a lock up. What's your way around this?

Umm you try not to do M moves on big cubes.

But Roux requires a lot of M movement.

I can Rw' R/Rw R' or you can use your entire finger like I do.

@minigoings - I'll take a look at them tomorrow.

uhh...who in the world uses roux to solve big cubes?

you can use k4. I use redux with roux.

Or you could solve directly using Stadler, and trigger a single r or l slice with the standard Roux triggers. I think that would work the best in combination with Roux on 3x3.

 

[miniGOINGS]

@spdcbr - Yes. If I can see the case immediately I can sub-3 all of step 4

I can do each sub-step sub-2, but It feels like I should be doing 4b faster, how do you do it?

while orienting, track the UL/UR piece.

after orientation

if one piece is already on DF or DB, you know to put the other piece on UB or UF and then do M'UM', adjust the U face and insert.


if both pieces are on DB/DF, adjust the U face and insert.

if one (or both) piece(s) is(are) on the M slice but on UB/UF, you know to do M2 adjust the U face and insert.

if no piece is on the M slice there are 2 possibilities
-both are correctly oriented and positioned on UL/UR
- both are correctly oriented but no positioned. adjust the U face and M2. adjust the U face and insert.

eventually you know what piece will go where with one glance and then you can just let that experience guide you.

I thought you had to follow up with U2 while doing UR and UL?

Um, yes, I think Waffle meant M' U2 M'.

 

[piemaster]

@spdcbr - Yes. If I can see the case immediately I can sub-3 all of step 4

I can do each sub-step sub-2, but It feels like I should be doing 4b faster, how do you do it?

while orienting, track the UL/UR piece.

after orientation

if one piece is already on DF or DB, you know to put the other piece on UB or UF and then do M'UM', adjust the U face and insert.


if both pieces are on DB/DF, adjust the U face and insert.

if one (or both) piece(s) is(are) on the M slice but on UB/UF, you know to do M2 adjust the U face and insert.

if no piece is on the M slice there are 2 possibilities
-both are correctly oriented and positioned on UL/UR
- both are correctly oriented but no positioned. adjust the U face and M2. adjust the U face and insert.

eventually you know what piece will go where with one glance and then you can just let that experience guide you.

I thought you had to follow up with U2 while doing UR and UL?

Um, yes, I think Waffle meant M' U2 M'.

Well, that clears things up. What times to you average in roux?

 

[waffle=ijm]

@spdcbr - Yes. If I can see the case immediately I can sub-3 all of step 4

I can do each sub-step sub-2, but It feels like I should be doing 4b faster, how do you do it?

while orienting, track the UL/UR piece.

after orientation

if one piece is already on DF or DB, you know to put the other piece on UB or UF and then do M'UM', adjust the U face and insert.


if both pieces are on DB/DF, adjust the U face and insert.

if one (or both) piece(s) is(are) on the M slice but on UB/UF, you know to do M2 adjust the U face and insert.

if no piece is on the M slice there are 2 possibilities
-both are correctly oriented and positioned on UL/UR
- both are correctly oriented but no positioned. adjust the U face and M2. adjust the U face and insert.

eventually you know what piece will go where with one glance and then you can just let that experience guide you.

I thought you had to follow up with U2 while doing UR and UL?

Um, yes, I think Waffle meant M' U2 M'.

Well, that clears things up. What times to you average in roux?

Whoops yes U2, and I avg sub-17.

 

[piemaster]

i was asking miniGOINGS

 

[waffle=ijm]

i was asking miniGOINGS

LOL it's in his sig

 

[piemaster]

i was asking miniGOINGS

LOL it's in his sig

But that's his PB averages got you there.

 

[waffle=ijm]

i was asking miniGOINGS

LOL it's in his sig

But that's his PB averages got you there.

Indeed you did.

 

[piemaster]

I have a question on inspection for the first 1x3x3. How do you do find all the pieces and use them? When I'm doing them, and I match up the first pair I lose the other pair except for the edge because I put it on L or R and do M and U to match up the pairs, so as far as I can go I can only see the 1x2x2, how to you find and use the pieces for the first step?

 

[waffle=ijm]

Scrambles

1. D L D' U2 F2 D2 U2 B D2 U2 R' F D2 R F2 D L R' D' B2 D' B F' R D2 R' D2 U' B2 L2

2. B' D2 L2 R F2 D F U F' D F' L' R' F2 L D U' L2 R D U' L B' F2 D2 B' U L F D

3. D B R' F D L D U2 L U R' U B U2 L2 U R2 B2 D2 L2 R F D' U2 L2 U' L' R' F' R2

4. B F2 D' U2 R2 D2 F D2 U' L2 R2 D' U L2 R' B2 F2 L R F' L' D2 U L F D2 U F D L

5. B' U2 R' B U B' D' B R' F' D2 U2 B' F L R B' L2 R D' U2 B2 U B' F D2 U2 F' D2 R2

6. L R' B F2 D' B F L2 R2 B F' D U2 R U' B2 U' B F' D2 U' B2 D B F2 D U L R' F2

7. B2 F R2 D2 U2 L' R2 B2 D' L2 D2 R' D F2 U2 B L B' D2 U L U' B' U' R B2 R' B L2 R2

8. F2 D' B' L2 D' U L2 R2 B2 L' B2 F' L2 B2 F U2 B' L' B F2 U B2 D2 U F U R2 D2 L' R

9. U R2 B F' D' R2 U2 F' L' R F D F' D2 L U' L R' B' F' L B D' U2 F D U2 B2 D2 L2

10. D2 B2 F U2 R B2 L' R D2 F' U R' F' L' R2 D2 B2 F2 D' U2 R F2 L R F' L2 U L R U2

My Solutions
1. y' F D' M' U M2 U2 B - 7 STM
Easy pairing. You can see this often during inspections

2. x' M' U R2 x2 y Rw U M' U2 Rw' U - 9 STM
A "pair" can be a DR and DRF piece. as long as they are connected...it's a pair

3 U' R' F R2 y R2 U' R U2 - 8 STM
The 1x2x2 was easy to find and the 1x2x3 was easy to track

4. x2 U2 Rw' U x' R' U' M' B - 7 STM
There was a free pair for an easy 1x2x3

5. z y M' U' M2 F' - 4 STM
Being partial neutral never hurts

6. y2 D U' M U2 M2 L U' - 7 STM
Easy 1x2x2 block.

7. z U' L D y R' U2 F Rw' F - 8 STM
Another easy 1x2x2

8. x2 F U' M2 U L' B2 - 6 STM
Partial neutrality NEVER hurts

9. y U Lw2 U M2 U' R B2 U M F2 R2 L' U - 13 (LOL) STM
I didn't think this through too much

10. y' R' F D2 U2 M2 Rw' U - 7 STM
I thought this one through

7 9 8 7 4 7 8 6 13 7
Avg 7.6 moves

This isn't saying your approach is bad. These sets had easy 1x2x2s and I'm partial neutral. Practice both so you know which to use on certain situations.

@piemaster - TRACKING PIECES. you have to know where the pieces go if they end up on the DB area, that's your blind spot. at least you know that they are at the blind spot. You should be able to fix pieces even if they are in your blind spot. that's what tracking pieces is about. I just know where they are which helps since you don't have to waste 3 seconds looking of that last pair

 

[miniGOINGS]

What times to you average in roux?

An hour ago I got:

1. 29.86
2. 27.68
3. 28.94
4. (34.06)
5. 26.04
6. 27.84
7. 24.25
8. 30.36
9. 28.32
10. (22.40)
11. 28.28
12. 26.67

Best: 22.40
Worst: 34.05
Average: 27.82
RA of 5: 26.80

No lucky cases, pops, or DNF's. On the 34.06 I screwed up on the CMLL case (I'm in the process of learning full).

 

[piemaster]

What times to you average in roux?

An hour ago I got:

1. 29.86
2. 27.68
3. 28.94
4. (34.06)
5. 26.04
6. 27.84
7. 24.25
8. 30.36
9. 28.32
10. (22.40)
11. 28.28
12. 26.67

Best: 22.40
Worst: 34.05
Average: 27.82
RA of 5: 26.80

No lucky cases, pops, or DNF's. On the 34.06 I screwed up on the CMLL case (I'm in the process of learning full).

When did you start?

 

[miniGOINGS]

When did you start?

What do you mean?

 

[Nghia]

Woah, I'm finally in the process of switching from Fridrich to Roux, and just like many of you guys have said, this method is so much fun ! (and I find the M moves very sexy to end a solve )
Thanks Waffle for your videos, they did help me, even though I found Roux' site very clear
I've been practicing for 2 days now, and my best average of 12 is 34.87s with a PB of 23.xx ! I think this is positive, I'll keep practicing until the end of summer

Switching from Fridrich to Roux is pretty hard I think, I've been doing Fridrich for more than a year, and naturally have gotten a restricted view of the cube, and this Roux' blockbuilding forces me to think outside the box, which is a great thing in cubing. I've actually been lucky enough to have met Gilles Roux himself, but never realized it, until now

I've filmed him solving the cube here

Allright then, later guys !

 

[Truncator]

I've done a few solves with your tutorials and I'm really impressed so far. I printed out some CMLL algorithms and I'll learn those (nine or so) and if I like it enough, I'll switch from Fridrich. I'm kind of torn between the two because I spent all that time learning PLLs and random tricks, though.

Thank you very much, Waffle.

 

[piemaster]

I better start out by changing that signature of yours.

 

[miniGOINGS]

I am sorry for misleading everyone by saying that I started using Roux in May. Upon review, the starting time is April 19th, 2009, at 7:14 PM. My bad.

 

[piemaster]

I am sorry for misleading everyone by saying that I started using Roux in May. Upon review, the starting time is April 19th, 2009, at 7:14 PM. My bad.

You're pretty fast, can I see a breakdown of your roux times?

 

[miniGOINGS]

I am sorry for misleading everyone by saying that I started using Roux in May. Upon review, the starting time is April 19th, 2009, at 7:14 PM. My bad.

You're pretty fast, can I see a breakdown of your roux times?

Lol, I'm not that fast, Big Green and Waffle own me.

 

[piemaster]

I am sorry for misleading everyone by saying that I started using Roux in May. Upon review, the starting time is April 19th, 2009, at 7:14 PM. My bad.

You're pretty fast, can I see a breakdown of your roux times?

Lol, I'm not that fast, Big Green and Waffle own me.

Well, I'm at the bottom of the food chain. SO you can still help .