Did the Americans walk on the Moon?

[CAT13]

You know what I did? I voted for all of 'em. You know why? Because this thread confuses the hell out of me. I don't give a crap on whether we went to the moon or not, because, as CAT13 said, we're all gonna die anyway, so what does it matter? All these advances are absolute bull. Even though it's a record of our history all the other beings after us will think how stupid we are and think how humans were dumb and arrogant. I know this post is really pessimistic. But that's what I believe.

WOOHOO! .

 

[xspamx]

how about a video of someone solving a rubik's cube on the moon?

 

[Lofty]

Man I only speak English (with a little Spanish and learning Chinese) what I think of about the whether or not we went to the moon must be invalid since language and science/physics are related disciplines.
And too bad we don't our children as much maybe then we would have a better space program...

 

[qqwref]

Too lazy:

(I know, this may be difficult for those of you who grew up
under constant America-America-über-alles conditioning.)

Pro-moon = nationalist.

The relevant information is that I speak seven languages fluently,
like the Serbian genius Nikola Tesla and unlike the vast majority
of people born and grown up in North America who are quite limited
by being mono-lingual, or should I say: semi-literate in one language...

Linguistic knowledge has nothing to do with science.

Even among Americans, there are exceptions, for instance my
woman in the 1990's when I lived and worked in N.Y.C. - Brooklyn
residency...

"My woman", lololol. Also I don't like this "even among Americans statement", it's obvious you are extremely prejudiced and I feel sorry for you.

Mostly because of "the Jews" (Kissinger, Hollywood, CNN), "the
Americans" and their satellite-states have a wrong perception
of "the Russians".

(1) lol, anti-semitism; but if the Jews were REALLY in charge wouldn't we have a very negative perception of, say, the Germans? We don't.
(2) Of course we do, we were at war with them for like 50 years. It's not like they (and you) don't have a wrong perception of us.
(3) I went to Russia for a bit and I can agree that they're nice people. But of course this is irrelevant.

You see: Радиационный пояс (=v.Allen belt or whatever you call it)
cannot be penetrated by Man. (But you're not supposed to know that.)

Lack of proof is not proof of impossibility. Besides, you overestimate it. Wikipedia: "An object satellite shielded by 3 mm of aluminium in an elliptic orbit passing through the radiation belt will receive about 2,500 rem (25 Sv) per year" (van Allen belt artlcle). This is because even small amounts of metals such as that will stop most alpha radiation and some low-energy beta radiation. If you assume shuttle speed = escape valocity you can calculate how long the astronauts spent in the field, obviously less than a day's exposure, which would be 6.8 rem = 68 mSv. Wikipedia: "50 mSv is the yearly federal limit for radiation workers in the United States" (Radiation poisoning article). Radiation is cumulative so this is not that bad for a single trip.


What I can't understand is why you keep responding with allegations and ad hominem attacks instead of actually arguing against our points. Whether we landed on the moon or not has nothing to do with the friendliness, intelligence, or linguistic skill of an average American, or with our relations with Russia, or with how members of the forum act. A supposedly intelligent person such as yourself ought to realize this immediately. It's very easy to continuously accuse the other person of things, but it doesn't solve arguments and it doesn't win people over to your line of thinking; it only creates animosity.

 

[Bounb]

You see: Радиационный пояс (=v.Allen belt or whatever you call it)
cannot be penetrated by Man. (But you're not supposed to know that.)

It was called радиационный пояс when van Allen did not even
have a clue that "his" belt existed.

Did you read my post?

Give me one piece of 'evidence' countering this and I will tell you why you are wrong.

How did the astronauts survive the van Allen radiation belt?

The spacecraft spent approximately 30 minutes moving through a radiation belt and the astronauts had some protection from the radiation by the aluminium hulls of the spacecraft (harmful ionizing radiation can be slowed or stopped entirely with a little bit lead or aluminium, alpha radiation is easily stopped, low level beta will be stopped by 3mm of aluminium.). Further, NASA made efforts to ensure that the trajectory from the Earth to the Moon through the belts was selected to minimize radiation exposure. Supposedly, Van Allen whom after the radiation belts in space are named personally rebutted the claims that radiation levels were too dangerous for the Apollo missions.

Dosimeters carried by the crews showed they received about the same cumulative dosage as a chest X-ray or about 1 milligray. Phil Plait cites (in Bad Astronomy, a book) an average dose of less than 1 rem, which is equivalent to the ambient radiation received by living at sea level for three years.

The radiation belts are not evidence for the hoaxed moon landing. In fact it is funny you should choose this line of attack as the radiation is actually evidence that the astronauts actually DID go to the moon.

Irene Schneider (whose area of expertise and research is focused around planet Mars and its radiation environments!) reported (on a November 2005 episode of The Space Show podcast) that thirty-three of the thirty-six Apollo astronauts involved in the nine Apollo missions to leave Earth orbit have early stage cataracts that have been shown to be caused by radiation exposure to cosmic rays during their trip. (Wikipedia)

Any more?

 

[JBCM627]

Yep, I'm this bored.

http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/index.html

Hrm, looks like thats not even an American site.

 

[Swordsman Kirby]

I "keep implying that anyone who believes the
moon landing was not a hoax is an extreme American nationalist"
does not make any sense to me.)

lol

The relevant information is that I speak seven languages fluently,

lol

Mostly because of "the Jews" (Kissinger, Hollywood, CNN)

lol anti-semitism

"The Russians" got big Hearts and a whole lot of Soul and "the
Russians" love their children more than "the Americans" theirs.

The quotation marks and capitalization are excessively silly, not to mention the relevance still hasn't been established.

You see: Радиационный пояс (=v.Allen belt or whatever you call it)
cannot be penetrated by Man.

Nice supporting evidence that followed.

It was called радиационный пояс when van Allen did not even
have a clue that "his" belt existed.

So when was this?

 

[Genie1048]

its not even a question, just look into a really good telescope and you can see the American flag we left behind.

 

[cookingfat]

Nope. The whole Neil Armstrong thing was total bull crap. There's absolutely no way that they were on the moon. I've done quite a bit of research on the matter and i'm absolutely and undeniably certain that it was bull crap.

Yeah, exactly what he said.

 

[tim]

its not even a question, just look into a really good telescope and you can see the American flag we left behind.

America has manipulated every single telescope on this world!

 

[Bounb]

its not even a question, just look into a really good telescope and you can see the American flag we left behind.

Actually, you can't see the flag from the earth unfortunately.
Sure the moon is close, but to have high enough resolution to see the flag is practically impossible. You can mathematically determine this. The primary mirror would have to be over 350 feet wide. At this size you would not be able to resolve the flag on earth still because of the turbulence in the Earth's atmosphere (This "turbulence" has effects on even the smallest scopes. As you are looking through so much atmosphere it can be hard to get sharp images with all that 'wobbling' about. It looks like the distortion when you look through hot air above the surface of a road). I understand actually that there is/was a satellite/probe that would have been able to see the flag but it does not fly along the correct latitude. Not sure about that though.

 

[rjohnson_8ball]

Back in those days they did not have technical ability to fake such stuff. I remember a camera pointed at the moon's surface as they were orbiting, descending, and landing. I have no doubt they did it. I watched it unfold for hours. I tell you, people develop conspiracy theories, and once they get spread around and heard a few times, people naturally start to take them as fact. By the way, a good site to check rumors is Snopes.com.

 

[JBCM627]

I remembered this thread when I read the following article... thought I'd resurrect it. Yet more proof the moon landings weren't hoaxes:

http://www.livescience.com/space/090717-lro-apollo11-images.html

 

[JTW2007]

Yes! And I can win the debate!

 

[ConnorCuber]

Well, I just found THIS: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090716/ap_on_sc/us_sci_moon_video

Read it, and lol.

 

[Mike Hughey]

I remembered this thread when I read the following article... thought I'd resurrect it. Yet more proof the moon landings weren't hoaxes:

http://www.livescience.com/space/090717-lro-apollo11-images.html

But of course the conspiracy theorist will say that new evidence is coming to light to prove it was all a hoax, and their theories are starting to be accepted by more people, so of course NASA had to create a new "probe" to send back "evidence". And of course it's all just CGI photos. And when the closer images start coming back that look real, they'll probably start picking apart the photos to show how they couldn't possibly be the real thing.

This will just add fuel to the fire - watch and see.

 

[Kian]

I remembered this thread when I read the following article... thought I'd resurrect it. Yet more proof the moon landings weren't hoaxes:

http://www.livescience.com/space/090717-lro-apollo11-images.html

But of course the conspiracy theorists will say that new evidence is coming to light to prove it was all a hoax, and their theories are starting to be accepted by more people, so of course NASA had to create a new "probe" to send back "evidence". And of course it's all just CGI photos. And when the closer images start coming back that look real, they'll probably start picking apart the photos to show how they couldn't possibly be the real thing.

This will just add fuel to the fire - watch and see.

Indeed it will.

The problem with careeer conspiracy theorist is that they will entertain any possibility except the prevailing wisdom. To them, it is completely impossible for something to be as it seems. You can't argue with them because they're not interested in facts, they're interested in proving something wrong regardless of its truth.

 

[Novriil]

I voted no, not in US and something more BUT: The americans faked it all in area 51!! but still they have walked on the moon. Just not those americans who were on the apollo that went there first. On those later ones!

Look at some documentals and then judge.. it's all kinda FAKE!

 

[Kian]

I voted no, not in US and something more BUT: The americans faked it all in area 51!! but still they have walked on the moon. Just not those americans who were on the apollo that went there first. On those later ones!

Look at some documentals and then judge.. it's all kinda FAKE!

Thank you for proving my above point.

 

[Feanaro]

So for those people that say we didn't walk on the moon, do they believe we go into space at all? Because that's provable beyond a doubt. And if they can go into space, it's just a little farther to the moon. I think all these theories about not landing are just silly.