9x9?

[TobiasDaneels]

Well most of us are in USA, and not Europe. But the internal mech is the same, look at the 6x6 and 7x7 chinese.

Why do you think that most of us live in the USA?
From the WCA:

USA: 1707
Europe: 1711
Asia: 2383

I think he means forum users, and I think it's true.
Most users on this forum are American I think.
But I don't see the point of that statement...

That is just a guess.

Indeed, that's why I used "I think".
I even used it 3 times on 2 lines of text.

 

[Am1n-]

Well most of us are in USA, and not Europe. But the internal mech is the same, look at the 6x6 and 7x7 chinese.

Why do you think that most of us live in the USA?
From the WCA:

USA: 1707
Europe: 1711
Asia: 2383

I think he means forum users, and I think it's true.
Most users on this forum are American I think.
But I don't see the point of that statement...

That is just a guess.

How do you know the ones from the US aren't just the noisier ones?

+1

 

[panyan]

Well most of us are in USA, and not Europe. But the internal mech is the same, look at the 6x6 and 7x7 chinese.

Why do you think that most of us live in the USA?
From the WCA:

USA: 1707
Europe: 1711
Asia: 2383

I think he means forum users, and I think it's true.
Most users on this forum are American I think.
But I don't see the point of that statement...

That is just a guess.

How do you know the ones from the US aren't just the noisier ones?

+1

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lol, this topic just got more intersting! i have to agree, the americans seem to have larger mouths if you know what i mean!

 

[Escher]

+1

lol, this topic just got more intersting! i have to agree, the americans seem to have larger mouths if you know what i mean!

Oh no! It was just meant to be a little jokey dig, not an unfair racial stereotype!

 

[panyan]

+1

lol, this topic just got more intersting! i have to agree, the americans seem to have larger mouths if you know what i mean!

Oh no! It was just meant to be a little jokey dig, not an unfair racial stereotype!

cant take it back now! it is in the pages of internet history (and google cache!)

 

[Mike Hughey]

How do you know the ones from the US aren't just the noisier ones?

+1

+1

lol, this topic just got more intersting! i have to agree, the americans seem to have larger mouths if you know what i mean!

<looking at my post count> uh, yeah.

+1

 

[Zaxef]

Don't forget Canada!

 

[Ton]

While nobody but a court can make the decision, it's just blatantly obvious it violates the patent.

Obvious, probably true for all country except China, which has -my opinon- very strange patent filing rules.

I don't know about your laws, but *knowingly* buying an illegal product can't be legal, can it? It's very unlikely they'll come after you (it will be near impossible to prove you knew it was illegal) but that doesn't make it right.

It is a legal Chinese product, for domestic market it is a legal product. I do not think legally consumers can be responsible to check a possible patent infringement

A better comparison would be buying a stolen bike. If I buy a bike for $100 and it turns out to be stolen, I'll not be charged. If I buy the same bike at $25 I'll be guilty of knowingly buying stolen goods.

Well we are not lawyers but the fact remains for the producers it is a legal Chinese product

However I agree the Chinese patent regulation is very unfair for producers and inventors. Still in China it is legal????

 

[panyan]

While nobody but a court can make the decision, it's just blatantly obvious it violates the patent.

Obvious, probably true for all country except China, which has -my opinon- very strange patent filing rules.

I don't know about your laws, but *knowingly* buying an illegal product can't be legal, can it? It's very unlikely they'll come after you (it will be near impossible to prove you knew it was illegal) but that doesn't make it right.

It is a legal Chinese product, for domestic market it is a legal product. I do not think legally consumers can be responsible to check a possible patent infringement

A better comparison would be buying a stolen bike. If I buy a bike for $100 and it turns out to be stolen, I'll not be charged. If I buy the same bike at $25 I'll be guilty of knowingly buying stolen goods.

Well we are not lawyers but the fact remains for the producers it is a legal Chinese product

However I agree the Chinese patent regulation is very unfair for producers and inventors. Still in China it is legal????

and for that reason, we may all enjoy the F9

 

[ben1996123]

wow. thats all i have to say.

 

[endless_akatsuki]

wow. thats all i have to say.

Thank you.

Anyway, nothing anyone says is going to change anyone's opinion. This is just another KO thing from China.
If you don't want to buy it, don't buy it, jeez.

 

[darkzelkova]

How many of you that are against buying this download movies?

 

[kastellorizo]

and for that reason, we may all enjoy the F9

Yeap, and anyone else who has no ethics and loves to help thieves and criminals.

I will step in to remind everyone here of the new October PCT patent-laws
which will actually *only* affect China for obvious reasons. V-Cubes *has*
a patent in China and the new laws should be able to reduce (and hopefully
eliminate), not just the fake products, but more than 20,000 fake "local"
patents for many other products besides puzzles.

For people who own fake products and live in countries where such products
are illegal to produce (while in some countries it is illegal to even possess!),
I would advice them to be more careful, instead of being PROUD or SMART
for supporting criminals. Without the designers, most of the puzzles would not
exist, all those forums and communities would not exist. Going against the
fundamental building blocks of such communities is neither smart, nor cool.

As a final note, allow me to add that all those people who are behind bars,
are not there because they wanted to be there. They are there because
they *thought* they could get away with it. Simple as that.

Even after October, it will still take time to get those criminals, but the
battle to help the original designers will be "slightly" easier, that's for sure.




Pantazis

 

[Ton]

Yeap, and anyone else who has no ethics and loves to help thieves and criminals.

My opinion is that the patent constructions is criminal in China, this make it possible using other inventors ideas, modify it and get a legal patent in China and make money out of it. If this happened in this case I can not tell or proof, I can only assume

Laws are different in many countries, where something is legal in one country is illegal in an other country. I think we should appose the patent constrtuction in China and not accuse people or producers, now we can only help Mr Verdes, with buying his products. Hope to see a V9x9 soon

 

[kastellorizo]

Yeap, and anyone else who has no ethics and loves to help thieves and criminals.

My opinion is that the patent constructions is criminal in China, this make it possible using other inventors ideas, modify it and get a legal patent in China and make money out of it. If this happened in this case I can not tell or proof, I can only assume

Laws are different in many countries, where something is legal in one country is illegal in an other country. I think we should appose the patent constrtuction in China and not accuse people or producers, now we can only help Mr Verdes, with buying his products. Hope to see a V9x9 soon

I agree with most of your points, except a couple of them:

1. It is more than obvious that this 9x9x9 uses the Verdes mechanism.
Well, Unless you know anyone else who came up with anything close even
to a well working 6x6x6 the past 25 years...
2. A criminal is a criminal. Just because it is "legal" (because of internal
corruption) in a specific country does not lessen the ethical violation.
How can someone be a criminal in almost all countries and an honored person
in one specific country anyway?


Pantazis

 

[Ton]

Yeap, and anyone else who has no ethics and loves to help thieves and criminals.

My opinion is that the patent constructions is criminal in China, this make it possible using other inventors ideas, modify it and get a legal patent in China and make money out of it. If this happened in this case I can not tell or proof, I can only assume

Laws are different in many countries, where something is legal in one country is illegal in an other country. I think we should appose the patent constrtuction in China and not accuse people or producers, now we can only help Mr Verdes, with buying his products. Hope to see a V9x9 soon

I agree with most of your points, except a couple of them:

1. It is more than obvious that this 9x9x9 uses the Verdes mechanism.
Well, Unless you know anyone else who came up with anything close even
to a well working 6x6x6 the past 25 years...
2. A criminal is a criminal. Just because it is "legal" (because of internal
corruption) in a specific country does not lessen the ethical violation.
How can someone be a criminal in almost all countries and an honored person
in one specific country anyway?


Pantazis

1) I agree, I assume since I have problems with accusing people without proof even if it looks obvious
2) A criminal is a criminal is not true, criminal is a legal term, where in one country consuming alcohol is illegal , which makes him a criminal is in an other country it is a no issue
So yes it is possible -legally- to be a criminal in almost all countries and not in one specific country and vice versa.

The term unethical instead of criminal is more applicable in this situation as the persons involved use legal constructions in China. Still it is unethical in my opinion.

 

[AvGalen]

I will step in to remind everyone here of the new October PCT patent-laws
which will actually *only* affect China for obvious reasons.

Could you step in a little more and actually say what this is all about? I didn't find anything about a new october patent law at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_Cooperation_Treaty or anywhere else and I don't think I am the only one that needs more than a "reminder" about this.

I buy from legal places (as far as I know) but I have no idea if those places are run by "honored persons". Just like most people here I would like to get my hands on more puzzles and I prefer to do that in a legal way. But I am realistic enough to know that if these products become widely available from other sources than Verdes people will start buying them, especially when they are not available from Verdes

Sidenote1: Verdes really should improve their communication to current and future customers.
Sidenote2: Criminal and ethical are only losely related. In Holland it is legal to buy and use Marihuana, prostitution is also legal (that includes taxes ) and adultry isn't illegal. But smoking marihuana is looked down upon, nobody ever admits going to a prostitute (but they all have a friend that did) and adultry is a big NoNO

 

[kastellorizo]

I will step in to remind everyone here of the new October PCT patent-laws
which will actually *only* affect China for obvious reasons.

Could you step in a little more and actually say what this is all about? I didn't find anything about a new october patent law at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_Cooperation_Treaty or anywhere else and I don't think I am the only one that needs more than a "reminder" about this.

I buy from legal places (as far as I know) but I have no idea if those places are run by "honored persons". Just like most people here I would like to get my hands on more puzzles and I prefer to do that in a legal way. But I am realistic enough to know that if these products become widely available from other sources than Verdes people will start buying them, especially when they are not available from Verdes

Sidenote1: Verdes really should improve their communication to current and future customers.
Sidenote2: Criminal and ethical are only losely related. In Holland it is legal to buy and use Marihuana, prostitution is also legal (that includes taxes ) and adultry isn't illegal. But smoking marihuana is looked down upon, nobody ever admits going to a prostitute (but they all have a friend that did) and adultry is a big NoNO

Fair enough, here is all the information you need:

http://twistypuzzles.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=12933


It is a good read, as all the points are included. It is clear that chinese people
are not criminals, but sadly, just like every country, there are few who would
do anything for money.

The comparison with marijuana and prostitution is not the best for this case.
Because in this case, it is only one country which does not follow the rules
(which they have actually agree to abide!)



Pantazis