Fast PLL Recognition?

[Shamah02]

I read a long time ago on Macky's site that you should be able to recognize any PLL just from looking at two adjacent sides. Do you guys think that is something every cuber should be able to do to have a fast LL? I certainly can't do this for EVERY case, but I still average around 4-6 seconds for the last layer. Tell me what you guys think.

 

[DavidWoner]

It's definitely helpful, but I don't really think its worth practicing. It's just another one of those things that comes naturally after lots of regular solving. If you can do most from 2 sides but are having trouble with a few, then it might be worth practicing, but other than that its not something to worry about.

 

[Shamah02]

Thanks man! idk what I will do. I don't think my last layer is too bad, so I'll just focus more on keeping my F2L consistently sub 10 or better...

 

[soccerking813]

It's not really that important. It just take a slight tip of the cube or your head to see a third side of the cube, and then you will be able to tell what it is every time.

 

[AvGalen]

Viewing a cube from only 2 faces really helps your times because of look-ahead. Eventually you will be able to "guess/predict" the PLL based on what you know is on just 1 face and how the other pieces are moving during the last moves of the OLL

However, all of this is very advanced and requires lots of experience and practice. If you are around the 30 second mark, don't worry about this!

 

[Shamah02]

Viewing a cube from only 2 faces really helps your times because of look-ahead. Eventually you will be able to "guess/predict" the PLL based on what you know is on just 1 face and how the other pieces are moving during the last moves of the OLL

However, all of this is very advanced and requires lots of experience and practice. If you are around the 30 second mark, don't worry about this!

Oh no, I average 15-17, usually 16 or 17. I do think it is something I should worry about.

 

[04mucklowd]

I can do this
It comes after practice
I am sure I will help peoples times decrease even though it hasnt changed mine

 

[AvGalen]

Viewing a cube from only 2 faces really helps your times because of look-ahead. Eventually you will be able to "guess/predict" the PLL based on what you know is on just 1 face and how the other pieces are moving during the last moves of the OLL

However, all of this is very advanced and requires lots of experience and practice. If you are around the 30 second mark, don't worry about this!

Oh no, I average 15-17, usually 16 or 17. I do think it is something I should worry about.

Sorry, I confused two threads.

If you are that fast, you should worry about it. I don't know full PLL (stupid G's), but I can still recognise all PLL's from just seeing the L and F face after OLL. Most of my OLL's are ending with R moves so I can always see the L face a couple of moves before I finish the OLL. During the last two moves of the OLL I already know which PLL is coming. I find T and R hard to distinguish from some angles and I hate E because of the very hard AUF-ing

 

[Shamah02]

What about V when the two bars are on the R and B faces. How would you distinguish that from E, F, or Y quickly when neither is AUFed? That's some serious "bar reading".

 

[ThatGuy]

When E isn't AUFed I notice two edges not in place and to diagonal corners.

 

[Shamah02]

When E isn't AUFed I notice two edges not in place and to diagonal corners.

What about when it is a U2 from being AUFed? How do you distinguish that from any other PLL that has two adjacent sides with no bars(Y, V, 2 Gs, R etc...) quickly?

 

[ThatGuy]

E has no colors matching when U2ed. I have some weird intuition I can't explain.

 

[Shamah02]

Yea I know exactly what you mean. It's the same way for me. You just kinda have this feeling of what PLL it is... I just wanted to know if there was more of a systematic way of determining certain PLLs.

 

[brunson]

I think it's just practice. I wrote this little shell around AnimCube to drill myself on PLL recognition (as well as some other stuff): http://brunson.com/drillsergeant/

Choose "Use only PLLs, no OLLs" and click "Drill", then see if you can recognize the PLL without rotation.

 

[daeyoungyoon]

If you just solve the cube a lot, pll recognition gets better over time. I don't think that there is any need to actually practice recognition for the plls.

 

[brunson]

There's a reason tennis players practice serves for hours and hours. If you want to get better at a given aspect of a task, you practice that aspect.

 

[daeyoungyoon]

I didn't mean that it is bad to practice pll recognition. I just meant that it isn't really required for you to practice it because it just comes to you as you solve more and more. Just learning HOW to recognize each of the pll is good enough.

 

[eastamazonantidote]

I typically just U2 unless it's an edge cycle (easily recognized from just 2 sides), just to make sure of the perm, then adjust the execute.

On metronome solves I give myself 3 beats (usually around 100 bpm for me - I'm slow) to recognize the case. Putting this kind of pressure on yourself makes your instincts react and really helps your solves.