Creationism vs. evolution

[soccerking813]

Why do I keep coming back to look at this thread?

Oh yea, because it is so funny what some people say.

 

[Cride5]

I believe in the Celestial Teapot :rolleyes:

 

[SlaughterMelon]

This is a baaaaaaaaaaaad idea. Sure, most of the guys here are "kids," but there are a few adults, and even teens (like me) have strong opinions on this topic. I don't even want to go there. If there were more adults, I'd suggest making a "Controversial" section of the board, for debates about this, religion, and politics, but I really don't think there's a large enough user based for that.
Again, this is a baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad idea.

 

[shelley]

This is a baaaaaaaaaaaad idea. Sure, most of the guys here are "kids," but there are a few adults, and even teens (like me) have strong opinions on this topic. I don't even want to go there. If there were more adults, I'd suggest making a "Controversial" section of the board, for debates about this, religion, and politics, but I really don't think there's a large enough user based for that.
Again, this is a baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad idea.

Yeah, you probably weren't around for the massive religious debate thread, but we've been there already.

 

[Davey Boy]

My nitpick was your statement that "there is" a higher power living in the 4th dimension. While that's certainly possible, you don't know that. "There could be" or "there might be" would be a more diplomatic way to describe an opinion based on no evidence whatsoever.

Of course, all this talk of higher dimensions is off topic anyway. There's no need to invoke 4th dimensional beings to understand biological evolution.

In the original post were i said that this is my theory, theories are supposed to be stated as fact. It did get off topic, but the dimensional talk still pertains to my theory of evolution vs creationism, in a round-a-bout sort of way. I'm a believer that we evolve, but that is not to say our evolution was not manipulated from its natural course which is essentially creation. And thus far the only plausible way for that is aliens or beings that experience other dimensions as well as ours. If that makes any sense

 

[qqwref]

How do you know it's a 4th dimensional being and not a 27.3-dimensional being?

Cause there are only 10 possible dimensions, the 10th being a dot containing all possible events, series, universes, etc.

That - and the video posted above your post - is so full of ******** I don't even know where to start if I want to criticize it.

Although there MIGHT be more dimensions than three of space and one of time, the existence of such dimensions has not been proven. You probably think there are more dimensions because of string theory and M-theory, which claim that there are 9 or 10 dimensions of space and one of time. However, string theory has run into many problems. It has not been tested in experiment, and to make matters worse there are something like 10^500 different string theories, most of which require calculations modern physicists simply can't do to even figure out if they resemble our universe. The fact is that most of the important conjectures of string theory remain unproven (even though many people believe them, including almost the entire theoretical physics community), and string theory itself has never been tested by experiment. It is arguably not even science.

By the way, the "flatland" analogy to thinking about a world with more than 3 spatial dimensions is sound, but remember that it means we cannot actually experience a fourth dimension. We cannot actually tell whether there are 4+ dimensions of space or not! Saying anything conclusive about a dimension that might not even exist makes you look very silly.


That was kinda off topic, so here's my opinion on evolution: do not rule it out if you are religious. Evolution has been proven to happen, at least at the microevolution scale (where different populations of an organism can develop different characteristics over thousands of generations, while still technically being the same species). If you are rational enough to understand that many parts of your holy book were not intended to be taken 100% literally, you should be able to imagine how a deity could set evolution in place in order to save himself a ton of work, while still allowing him some control over the final 'product'.

 

[shelley]

In the original post were i said that this is my theory, theories are supposed to be stated as fact.

A scientific theory is viewed as a fact. Yours is not a scientific theory.

And thus far the only plausible way for that is aliens or beings that experience other dimensions as well as ours. If that makes any sense

If you think that's the *only* plausible way, you simply haven't read enough.

 

[Kian]

It's a silly question to pose, really. Evolution is not a theory on the origin of life, as creationism is. Abiogenesis would the logical counterpart to creationism. Neither evolution nor creationism (in some respects) invalidates the other.

 

[ExoCorsair]

This thread begs the question, "Did the Rubik's Cube evolve or was it created?"

 

[Ethan Rosen]

This thread begs the question, "Did the Rubik's Cube evolve or was it created?"

It evolved from the 15-puzzle of course
http://www.puzzleof15.com/erno_rubik.htm

 

[qqwref]

This thread begs the question, "Did the Rubik's Cube evolve or was it created?"

If you're trying to bring the watchmaker analogy into this, I'm going to immediately debunk it by pointing out that life is fundamentally different in that it can replicate. Since life can create itself, even the most complicated life form does not imply some even more powerful being to create it, just the existence of ancestors.

 

[fanwuq]

This thread begs the question, "Did the Rubik's Cube evolve or was it created?"

Frank Morris Created Erno Rubik.

In Soviet Russia, Evolution believes in you!

 

[shelley]

There's another funny phrase, "believing in evolution." Nobody asks if you believe in gravity.

 

[James Kobel]

Evolution and Creationism do contradict each other alot, but I don't think that one really can totally prove the other wrong, although they are often used as substitutes for each other. I would figure just about every athiest believes in evolution, but some theists don't believe in evolution at all. But still, evolution is even taught in Catholic High Schools so I doubt that they can really contradict each other that much.

 

[Kian]

There's another funny phrase, "believing in evolution." Nobody asks if you believe in gravity.

so i'm supposed to believe that objects fall to the ground when i drop them? what a sham.

 

[Dene]

Lol "believing" in evolution. This thread has thus far been really boring so I'ma make it more interesting. You're an idiot if you think the theory of evolution is up for grabs as a "belief".

 

[James Kobel]

There's another funny phrase, "believing in evolution." Nobody asks if you believe in gravity.

so i'm supposed to believe that objects fall to the ground when i drop them? what a sham.

Yea, and how do you explain how we can jump so high on the moon?

 

[Musturd]

I believe that some bored computer hacker programmed the universe with rocks.
AKA: XKCD

 

[Lord Voldemort]

I believe that some bored computer hacker programmed the universe with rocks.
AKA: XKCD

Funny comic.
Evolution ftw. Creationism just never made sense to me compared to evolution.

 

[Karthik]

There's another funny phrase, "believing in evolution." Nobody asks if you believe in gravity.

Well people would have if the bible had a theory of its own describing gravity. But I guess people back then just didn't care much about why bird droppings always falls down on your head.