Suggestions on how to get faster at 3x3 & 3x3 bld?

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Like it says in the title, I want to get faster at 3x3 and learn 3x3 bld. I've gotten one 9.94 sec solve, a couple of 10's, and a couple 11's. I know full PLL and most OLL cases, still need to improve my cross. On 3x3 bld, I want to learn how to do it BLD but if you just tell me old pochman method, I'd like some help with memo. You can post videos here.
 
Like it says in the title, I want to get faster at 3x3 and learn 3x3 bld. I've gotten one 9.94 sec solve, a couple of 10's, and a couple 11's. I know full PLL and most OLL cases, still need to improve my cross. On 3x3 bld, I want to learn how to do it BLD but if you just tell me old pochman method, I'd like some help with memo. You can post videos here.
Hey, I have multiple sub 10 solves, but I don’t know full OLL or PLL. I recommend solidifying your F2L. Also, if you feel dedicated to it, become color neutral as most top cubers are color neutral, and personally I don’t see why not everyone does it. If you want more info feel free to ask.
 
dude that was quick. do you have any suggestions on how to learn more F2L 'cause I have learned a lot of F2L but not 2 slot cases
I only do slot by slot, nothing advanced. Another suggestion is to try to inspect your first pair. I do this well by tracking the corners, then the edge that corresponds to the best corner option.
 
Hey, I have multiple sub 10 solves, but I don’t know full OLL or PLL. I recommend solidifying your F2L. Also, if you feel dedicated to it, become color neutral as most top cubers are color neutral, and personally I don’t see why not everyone does it. If you want more info feel free to ask.
wouldn't dual be better as u only focus on 2 colors and still have time to predict 1st pair compared to CN where u spend a good amount of inspection time trying to find the best color?
 
wouldn't dual be better as u only focus on 2 colors and still have time to predict 1st pair compared to CN where u spend a good amount of inspection time trying to find the best color?
Then don't spend a lot of inspection time trying to find the best color! Just take a quick look to find a color that looks good and go with it. You won't get the absolute best color every time, but you will be able to take full advantage of every lucky scramble.
 
If you're having trouble understanding 3BLD memo, I would recommend Jperm's 2BLD tutorial as imo it teaches the basic concepts of BLD more clearly.(This requires knowing the colour scheme well if you do it on a 2x2, if that's an issue you can just solve the corners of a 3x3 instead, CSTimer generates corner only scrambles)

2BLD tutorial

The way I learnt 3BLD was by learning this first(I never intended to learn 3BLD). It was actually harder than I expected(it took me a few days to fully understand and learn) but definitely helped when I moved onto 3BLD as I already understood how the method worked.

(Alternatively I think I've heard Charlie Eggin's 3BLD tutorials are good, you might want to give them a go)
 
If you're having trouble understanding 3BLD memo, I would recommend Jperm's 2BLD tutorial as imo it teaches the basic concepts of BLD more clearly.(This requires knowing the colour scheme well if you do it on a 2x2, if that's an issue you can just solve the corners of a 3x3 instead, CSTimer generates corner only scrambles)

2BLD tutorial

The way I learnt 3BLD was by learning this first(I never intended to learn 3BLD). It was actually harder than I expected(it took me a few days to fully understand and learn) but definitely helped when I moved onto 3BLD as I already understood how the method worked.

(Alternatively I think I've heard Charlie Eggin's 3BLD tutorials are good, you might want to give them a go)
I feel like M2/OP is becoming the standard beginner's method, so @Spartacus you might want to consider learning that. There is just one major concept that you need to know in order to use that method: setup moves. J Perm covers this in his M2 tutorial video.

 
wouldn't dual be better as u only focus on 2 colors and still have time to predict 1st pair compared to CN where u spend a good amount of inspection time trying to find the best color?
I prefer to find nice cross solutions than try super hard to predict 1st pair. If I need to know where the first corner will go but not the corresponding edge, meaning I need to track it, so be it.
 
I prefer to find nice cross solutions than try super hard to predict 1st pair. If I need to know where the first corner will go but not the corresponding edge, meaning I need to track it, so be it.
That doesn't change the fact that dual CN is the best option now, planning at least cross+1 is way better than a nice cross because it allows you to flow much better into F2L if you know what your first pair is, enabling you to look ahead into the second pair and have a much more fluid solve.
I would recommend @Spartacus to learn to plan cross+1 every solve and learn dual CN, as well as learning full OLL since those will provide the biggest jump in improvement compared to full CN which is not worth it as you maybe save a few moves on average with the drawback of losing valuable inspection planning time just to have the potential to save a few moves. Most top cubers aren't actually full CN but just Dual CN, so really grind that out and make sure your Y and W times are as close as possible.
 
you say you’re cross needs improvement, which you should work on first. I suggest you learn cross+1 right around the sub-10 barrier but the main thing you wanna focus on at this stage is lookahead. Turn slower. You will be able to increase your TPS as you get faster so for now, turn noticeably slower than usual (don’t turn like a turtle though). Don’t forget to look around while you are turning slower, which means if you are doing a pair, don’t look at what’s happening to it as you are inserting it and look at other parts of the cube. For example, If you are solving a pair into the back left, look for the next “obvious” pair to do. I suggest doing what i call, “blind steps” as a drill. Basically, you plan cross/cross+1, then close your eyes and solve it. Plan your next 2-3 F2L pairs, then close your eyes and solve the planned F2L pairs.

An optional thing you could do is to just not learn cross+1. The way this works is you start looking ahead during cross, which still gives a pauseless cross-F2L transition. I used this to break the sub-10 barrier. However, i do not recommend this as it is more reliable to just plan cross+1.

You can start increasing your F2L TPS when you have gotten comfortable with a slower turn speed than usual (unless you can lookahead well already)
 
you say you’re cross needs improvement, which you should work on first. I suggest you learn cross+1 right around the sub-10 barrier but the main thing you wanna focus on at this stage is lookahead. Turn slower. You will be able to increase your TPS as you get faster so for now, turn noticeably slower than usual (don’t turn like a turtle though). Don’t forget to look around while you are turning slower, which means if you are doing a pair, don’t look at what’s happening to it as you are inserting it and look at other parts of the cube. For example, If you are solving a pair into the back left, look for the next “obvious” pair to do. I suggest doing what i call, “blind steps” as a drill. Basically, you plan cross/cross+1, then close your eyes and solve it. Plan your next 2-3 F2L pairs, then close your eyes and solve the planned F2L pairs.

An optional thing you could do is to just not learn cross+1. The way this works is you start looking ahead during cross, which still gives a pauseless cross-F2L transition. I used this to break the sub-10 barrier. However, i do not recommend this as it is more reliable to just plan cross+1.

You can start increasing your F2L TPS when you have gotten comfortable with a slower turn speed than usual (unless you can lookahead well already)
I don't really know what cross+1 or CN is. I am also REALLY bad at planning the cross, and I have tried Jperms cross vids but I just can't get it in my head.
 
I drafted this at like 1:30 but didn't hit send...

I average 27.48 btw.

Cross+1 is solving your Cross and 1 F2L pair (Cross+1F2l), and I'm guessing here, but I bet CN is Colour Neutral.

So when @Caleb Valenzuela says solving cross+1f2l bld, it means planning a cross and f2l in that 15-second window. Super important for fluidity in the next f2ls. If you can BLD a cross+1f2l, you can track 1 or 2 more f2ls.
 
I drafted this at like 1:30 but didn't hit send...

I average 27.48 btw.

Cross+1 is solving your Cross and 1 F2L pair (Cross+1F2l), and I'm guessing here, but I bet CN is Colour Neutral.

So when @Caleb Valenzuela says solving cross+1f2l bld, it means planning a cross and f2l in that 15-second window. Super important for fluidity in the next f2ls. If you can BLD a cross+1f2l, you can track 1 or 2 more f2ls.
when starting out, cross+1 doesn’t have to be planned in 15 seconds, you can take as much time as you want until you got the hang of it.

Also, if you really suck at cross, try looking at reconstructions of top cuber’s solves, to be exact, yiheng’s solves. (I don’t recommend other top cubers unless they have relatively simple solutions)

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You can DM your solves to me on this forums, and i will critique them (no video but i can use twizzle to simplify things). Please make sure to send video that’s decent quality with scrambles and times.
 
I didn't find a discussion thread to post this question in, but I was wondering if anyone knew how to solve this case with M2 for edges: a white-blue edge with white facing DF and a yellow-green edge with yellow facing UB (the rest of the edges are solved btw). according to tutorials, I am supposed to remember A and then U in my memo, but it doesn't solve the cube. Thanks a lot!
 
I didn't find a discussion thread to post this question in, but I was wondering if anyone knew how to solve this case with M2 for edges: a white-blue edge with white facing DF and a yellow-green edge with yellow facing UB (the rest of the edges are solved btw). according to tutorials, I am supposed to remember A and then U in my memo, but it doesn't solve the cube. Thanks a lot!
U is the buffer so you never actually memo it. Only memo A, then do the parity alg
 
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