Human Limit Reached in 2x2?

[2023HOAN03]

Lately, there are a lot of records of 2x2, especially average. Those are fast events and the only thing that matters are finding the best solution for tps spamming and the solves also somewhat depend on the luck of the scramble. So have we reached the limit of it yet? Are there any chances that we could have a sub 0.4 single officially or sub 0.2 unofficially, and also 0.6 average? 2x2 has been considered dead after those Chinese kids spamming their moves lol

 

[THE_V01DL0RD]

Lately, there are a lot of records of 2x2, especially average. Those are fast events and the only thing that matters are finding the best solution for tps spamming and the solves also somewhat depend on the luck of the scramble. So have we reached the limit of it yet? Are there any chances that we could have a sub 0.4 single officially or sub 0.2 unofficially, and also 0.6 average? 2x2 has been considered dead after those Chinese kids spamming their moves lol

I think Zayn has gotten a 0.24 unofficially but that was with sliding
Also,

 

[EvanCuber1]

2x2 isnt even close to the official human limit, it is very possible that one day we will see a 0.2 wr single or less and a 0.5 wr avg

 

[THE_V01DL0RD]

2x2 isnt even close to the official human limit, it is very possible that one day we will see a 0.2 wr single or less and a 0.5 wr avg

Completely agree
I like to use the same philosophy from speedrunning and apply it to speedcubing
There is always time to be saved.
Whether it's a more optimal solution, better ergonomics, or simply faster tps. There will always be someone faster.

 

[OtaMota]

I think Zayn has gotten a 0.24 unofficially but that was with sliding

Zayn does not have a 0.24. His PB single is 0.29 without sliding

 

[EvanCuber1]

Completely agree
I like to use the same philosophy from speedrunning and apply it to speedcubing
There is always time to be saved.
Whether it's a more optimal solution, better ergonomics, or simply faster tps. There will always be someone faster.

Exactly
For example, in the og Mario, we are so close to the fastest possible time but records for it are still being broken

 

[THE_V01DL0RD]

Zayn does not have a 0.24. His PB single is 0.29 without sliding

I remember seeing a video with a screenshot saying he got a 0.24 with sliding on discord.
If it wasn't Zayn it was prolly someone else

 

[THE_V01DL0RD]

Exactly
For example, in the og Mario, we are so close to the fastest possible time but records for it are still being broken

I think the tas is like 1 framerule away because if something in 8-4
prolly some random backwards accel I forgor

 

[EvanCuber1]

I think the tas is like 1 framerule away because if something in 8-4

Yep
But we still have room for improvement in everything that we do
Once we finish oo and maybe go even past that somehow, turning will be the thing that matters most, which will continue to increase in the future

 

[OtaMota]

I remember seeing a video with a screenshot saying he got a 0.24 with sliding on discord.

That doesn’t mean Zayn considers that his PB.

 

[THE_V01DL0RD]

That doesn’t mean Zayn considers that his PB.

never said he did

 

[THE_V01DL0RD]

Yep
But we still have room for improvement in everything that we do
Once we finish oo and maybe go even past that somehow, turning will be the thing that matters most, which will continue to increase in the future

little off topic but Isnt that what happened with any% minus worlds

 

[BVCuber13]

I think the tas is like 1 framerule away because if something in 8-4
prolly some random backwards accel I forgor

nonono the TAS is perfect. The TAS by Maru clocks in at a 4:54.265, and is the theoretical perfect human speedrun. However, the TAS by HappyLee clocks in at 4:54.032 while using hacks and cheats to be able to press L and R at the same time on the D-pad, which is not possible by a human. In his recent WR, Niftski (goated speedrunner btw) achieved a time of 4:54.565, which is the first ever speedrun of the game to tie the human theoretical TAS (Maru's TAS) up until 8-4, where many more frame-perfect tricks can be included to get the record down (such as multiple fast accels and a faster turnaround room). In total, 18 more frames can be saved in 8-4, and because a perfect 8-4 IL (individual level) time has been done multiple times before, it is only a matter of time before we will see the absolute PERFECT speedrun.

EDIT: lmao I thought you said "the TAS is 1 framerule away from being perfect"

 

[THE_V01DL0RD]

EDIT: lmao I thought you said "the TAS is 1 framerule away from being perfect"

ye I meant to say people are a 1fr from tying the tas

 

[THE_V01DL0RD]

@pjk
can you bring this to a random smb1 thread or smthn

 

[BVCuber13]

@pjk
can you bring this to a random smb1 thread or smthn

or @abunickabhi yo

 

[bldcuber314]

I'm actually surprised we don't have a sub 0.4 single yet, as a PB single like 0.39 is perfectly normal for even solvers averaging 3 seconds. We definitely haven't hit the human limit.

 

[THE_V01DL0RD]

I'm actually surprised we don't have a sub 0.4 single yet, as a PB single like 0.39 is perfectly normal for even solvers averaging 3 seconds. We definitely haven't hit the human limit.

friend averaged 10 and got a 0.69
I'm glad there's a move count requirement for 2x2 so world records aren't just random 2 movers

 

[EvanCuber1]

If 2 movers were around wb single would be like a 0.09 and wr single would be like a 0.2 or less

 

[THE_V01DL0RD]

If 2 movers were around wb single would be like a 0.09 and wr single would be like a 0.2 or less

i think 0.09 might be a stretch but ye. insane wrs