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blgentry
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First, a 2 look OLL requires 10 algorithms, not 5. It's 3 for the first look (line, little L, or dot), and 7 for the second look (Sune, anti-Sune, etc).
If you don't know all 10 of those algs, that might be a good place to start, as you're necessarily doing a 3, or 4 look OLL if you don't know them all, and that will slow you down.
Second, how many PLL algs are you using? For a 2 look PLL, you're going to need 7 PLLs. Knowing all of those will speed up your last layer.
You're going to get tired of hearing this (I know I am), but just solving is going to make you faster. People here say "practice, practice, practice". I say have fun and solve a lot, and you'll naturally get faster. More algs help, but only if you learn them at a pace such that you can retain them and not forget which alg to use mid-solve.
You're probably going to find that your F2L is where you'll make your biggest improvements. If you're quite comfortable with F2L, you should start trying to optimize it. For example, can you insert a made pair in the top layer in the back right slot without rotating the cube? Try to learn some of the inserts so you can minimize cube rotation during F2L. I found that learning some of these improved my F2L a lot.
That's probably more than you wanted to hear, so I'll stop here.
Brian.
If you don't know all 10 of those algs, that might be a good place to start, as you're necessarily doing a 3, or 4 look OLL if you don't know them all, and that will slow you down.
Second, how many PLL algs are you using? For a 2 look PLL, you're going to need 7 PLLs. Knowing all of those will speed up your last layer.
You're going to get tired of hearing this (I know I am), but just solving is going to make you faster. People here say "practice, practice, practice". I say have fun and solve a lot, and you'll naturally get faster. More algs help, but only if you learn them at a pace such that you can retain them and not forget which alg to use mid-solve.
You're probably going to find that your F2L is where you'll make your biggest improvements. If you're quite comfortable with F2L, you should start trying to optimize it. For example, can you insert a made pair in the top layer in the back right slot without rotating the cube? Try to learn some of the inserts so you can minimize cube rotation during F2L. I found that learning some of these improved my F2L a lot.
That's probably more than you wanted to hear, so I'll stop here.
Brian.
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How long you been doing this? A month? maybe a little more? Talk to me in another 6 months. I bet you'll be much better.
Chuberchuckee
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Focus on F2L. Prioritize the cross and F2L, especially F2L.
Seriously, practice F2L.
Seriously, practice F2L.
abr71310
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To follow up, my brother uses simple Dan Brown LBL and averages 33, with PBs in the low 20s like me. o_o;;
Don't even worry about it, the more you solve, the faster you get. He doesn't even practice his algorithms, he just solves like crazy and he got faster over a course of two weeks. I'm using almost full Fridrich (2-look OLL = fail for OH) and I only average 31. o_O
GermanCube
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What cube do you use?
I get times in the low 40's with beginner LBL method WITHOUT 4LLL with my Type A third model ...
I get times in the low 40's with beginner LBL method WITHOUT 4LLL with my Type A third model ...
The key to this post i think is "Intuitive F2L". That means you can solve the F2L without any real alg knowledge.
I'm in your boat. I solve average 60 seconds. My look ahead is horrible, but I'm finding shortcuts to LL everyday.
My advice to you is just keep practicing. Take note of situations that you know how to solve. Do those slowly. If your looking at your case and going "hmmm, I know how to solve this, let me see if i can do it smoothly, one shot". Commit that to memory. Start building your own Alg's. Once you do that, you can do it without looking at it. You just know it.
I'm new to the community. I dont know what you guys call it. I call it Macros. A move that takes 16 Turns gets shortened to 4 moves...maybe a (R',U,R,U) Move now goes from being 4 turns, to just 1 mental macro. It no long is these 4 specific moves, it now is "This", or "Do this", or "That". Mentally thats how I visualize it. I go "This move" that is associated with a feeling, or finger movement. Sometimes I see shapes and name them...whatever.
My whole point is, as your get better at F2L, it no long becomes intuitive. It no long is "Let me figure this case out", and becomes "I know how to solve this case".
Once you get your cases down, solve the cube. Then practice moves back and forth until you can do them seemlessly. This should unsolve the cube for that case, and resolve the cube. This is important. This ISOLATES the move. When you can do this, you can go about your day with the cube in your hand and just do those moves without looking or thinking about it.
Thats my 2 cents...I hope I didnt misunderstand you. I hope it helps!
Practice, awareness, and insolation. Those are my 3 steps to getting faster.
I'm in your boat. I solve average 60 seconds. My look ahead is horrible, but I'm finding shortcuts to LL everyday.
My advice to you is just keep practicing. Take note of situations that you know how to solve. Do those slowly. If your looking at your case and going "hmmm, I know how to solve this, let me see if i can do it smoothly, one shot". Commit that to memory. Start building your own Alg's. Once you do that, you can do it without looking at it. You just know it.
I'm new to the community. I dont know what you guys call it. I call it Macros. A move that takes 16 Turns gets shortened to 4 moves...maybe a (R',U,R,U) Move now goes from being 4 turns, to just 1 mental macro. It no long is these 4 specific moves, it now is "This", or "Do this", or "That". Mentally thats how I visualize it. I go "This move" that is associated with a feeling, or finger movement. Sometimes I see shapes and name them...whatever.
My whole point is, as your get better at F2L, it no long becomes intuitive. It no long is "Let me figure this case out", and becomes "I know how to solve this case".
Once you get your cases down, solve the cube. Then practice moves back and forth until you can do them seemlessly. This should unsolve the cube for that case, and resolve the cube. This is important. This ISOLATES the move. When you can do this, you can go about your day with the cube in your hand and just do those moves without looking or thinking about it.
Thats my 2 cents...I hope I didnt misunderstand you. I hope it helps!
Practice, awareness, and insolation. Those are my 3 steps to getting faster.
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I need help with my F2L. I have mastered the metronome to the speed of 208 BPM...but my times are still in the 50~40 barrier. Any help?
EDIT: I use 2 look PLL and 2 look OLL but I have heard that you could get to sub 30 without full PLL.
EDIT: I use 2 look PLL and 2 look OLL but I have heard that you could get to sub 30 without full PLL.
spdcbr
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Sure, by the way, I know every PLL exept for 3 stupid G-perms and two dumb n's
EDIT: Do you think I should go with Yu Nakajima or Erik?
EDIT: Do you think I should go with Yu Nakajima or Erik?
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spdcbr: learn from Dan Harris
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Why? Do you mean the PLL's?
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Yes, learn PLL from Dan Harris
spdcbr
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May I ask why?
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There aren't many variations on G, they're all pretty much the same. For the N's look at all of them, including the wiki here, and pick one that you like. It's rare that every algorithm one person uses will suit another.
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Once I learned one G and one N, I just figured out the mirror images and inverses to help me with the other G's and N's. Likewise for R perm and U perm and A perm, etc. You can switch to faster algorithms if the mirrored or inverse algs seem too slow.
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