What do you consider world class for any event?

[Spencer131]

Would you consider it to be top n? Within a certain percentage of the WR? Some other definition?

 

[TheSpeedSkewber]

Top 1% most of the time, sometimes 5% depending how competitive the rankings are.

Edit: just realised my mistake, i meant 0.1 and 0.5

 

[Jorian Meeuse]

Being currently capable of breaking WR average/mean (or single for MBLD, because average doesn't exist there), either in competition or at home.
It's quite a strict definition, and personally I'd think it's better not to have a precise definition for something like this, but if I had to define it, it would be like this.

 

[OtaMota]

If you were to teleport them to any random comp, you can expect them to win it.

 

[Bingus cuber]

If you were to teleport them to any random comp, you can expect them to win it.

I would say with the exception of big championships, like euros or NAC.

 

[NigelTheCuber]

Top 20 wr (my 2x2 is wr21 )

 

[NigelTheCuber]

Top 1% most of the time, sometimes 5% depending how competitive the rankings are.

but top 1 percent is like top 1000-2000 for 3x3 and 2x2 which is like really easy to get

 

[qwr]

Top 10-20. Anybody that could snatch the record on a really good day

 

[gsingh]

Would you consider it to be top n? Within a certain percentage of the WR? Some other definition?

Iirc someone with a top 25 global ranking for an event is usually considered a top player, so that.

 

[ProStar]

Being currently capable of breaking WR average/mean (or single for MBLD, because average doesn't exist there), either in competition or at home.
It's quite a strict definition, and personally I'd think it's better not to have a precise definition for something like this, but if I had to define it, it would be like this.

This. Every event is different in popularity and in how much the WR is contested, so it’s impossible to clearly define a top-X ranking that universally counts as being world class. Being world class means you can break the world record.

 

[JDAW6]

This. Every event is different in popularity and in how much the WR is contested, so it’s impossible to clearly define a top-X ranking that universally counts as being world class. Being world class means you can break the world record.

Technically i could get a 2 mover on 7x7 and get WR

 

[Arcanist]

Obviously they mean a realistic chance of getting WR. You also literally don't even own a 7x7.

 

[JDAW6]

Obviously they mean a realistic chance of getting WR. You also literally don't even own a 7x7.

Yeah but theoretically I think that is possible. anyway I think top 50 is enough for we

 

[Silky]

Lol, just talked about this in the FMC discord. My thoughts are that Top-100 should be considered world class. I think the fact that there exist a Top-100 for all events is a hard, quantitative, barrier. Some people argue for top-20ish in the world although I consider that to be 'best in the world' vs world class. There's an issue of 'competitive-ness' per event but you can adjust for that by, for example, averaging the Top-100 Ao5's and find the the relative barriers. I usually just compare it to people who average Sub-6.5 ( rounded up from the Top-100 3x3 barrier ). This isn't a perfect metric but I think it's fair. Top 100 solvers would be going to Nationals/Worlds which would be, at least, professional ( could be sponsered ) + podium at regionals/ could have NRs etc.

 

[Jorian Meeuse]

Lol, just talked about this in the FMC discord. My thoughts are that Top-100 should be considered world class. I think the fact that there exist a Top-100 for all events is a hard, quantitative, barrier. Some people argue for top-20ish in the world although I consider that to be 'best in the world' vs world class. There's an issue of 'competitive-ness' per event but you can adjust for that by, for example, averaging the Top-100 Ao5's and find the the relative barriers. I usually just compare it to people who average Sub-6.5 ( rounded up from the Top-100 3x3 barrier ). This isn't a perfect metric but I think it's fair. Top 100 solvers would be going to Nationals/Worlds which would be, at least, professional ( could be sponsered ) + podium at regionals/ could have NRs etc.

I have several top 100 results in BLD events, and I'm definitely not world class lol

 

[OtaMota]

What if we used something like Kinch, like if your 80 Kinch or something in an event, you are world class.

 

[Silky]

I have several top 100 results in BLD events, and I'm definitely not world class lol

This is just my hot take. I don't think we should have such high barriers. You're really good at blind and there's nothing wrong with admitting that.

 

[Swagrid]

This is just my hot take. I don't think we should have such high barriers. You're really good at blind and there's nothing wrong with admitting that.

"really good" and "world class" are quite different though. Especially with the harder events that people are super good at, you can be super good at something without being at the top of the event.

 

[baseballjello67]

To define the phrase "world class", we shouldn't think about a certain amount of people. There should be more people "world class" in 3x3 than something like MBLD. We should instead use something along the lines of 'Top X Percent'.

Personally, I'd say someone ~7.0-7.1 on 3x3 is world class. Again, some people may disagree, but if you look at the sheer amount of skill that someone has to put in to get that result, I think it's definitely world class.

7.0 is roughly 250th in the world (as of today). There's around 250,000 official 3x3 competitors (please do correct me if i'm wrong, thanks)
250/250,000 = ~0.1%

Applying this logic to other events:

2x2: 1.70
4x4: 28.5
5x5: 53
6x6: 1:31
7x7: 2:16

anyway, let me know what you think!

 

[Spencer131]

Lol, just talked about this in the FMC discord.

That was my inspiration for asking on here lol