JDAW6’S Cubing Progression // 20% ZBLL // 30% WV // I’ve Broken 12 SRs OFFICIALLY

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JDAW6 said:
You see guys, we need more people like you otamota people who don’t falsely accuse people without looking at the facts.
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Just like when I used math to defend your 4x4, you need to know that just because there is a possibility of having a sub-6, it does not mean that you have to have a sub-6 at JDAW6s speed. Keep in mind that Yuheng Du was an outlier, and I assume the average person your speed does not have a sub-6 single. I used Yuheng Du to show that it was not impossible to have a sub-6, but that does not mean it has to be likely, you also have a history of cheating btw.
 
OtaMota said:
Let's refer to the case of Yuheng Du. When he got his 3.47, his pr average was 7.43. This is 2.14 ratio between single and average. 13.54 / 2.14 is 6.33. Pretty fast, but not sub-6. It is important to note that 7.43 was Yushengs pr average, and not his global. I am going to do a rough estimation between pr average and global. Yiheng has 4.48, ad he globals about 5.2. 1.16 ratio. So if Yusheng had a 7.43 pr average, we could estimate he globaled 8.6 at the time. 8.6/3.47 is a 2.48 ratio. If we take JDAW6's ao100 pb of 13.54, and divide by 2.48, we get 5.46, sub-6. Keep in mind that Yusheng Du got 3.47 IN COMP, so JDAW6 getting sub-6 at home is quite believable.
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I’m fairly sure Yusheng actually averaged faster than what you estimated and just had really bad competition nerves. So let’s say Yusheng averaged closer to 7 so that would make the ratio about 2 so if we divide that by 14 (what he global’s) we get 7 (doing his Pb Ao100 gives 6.77) I’m not sure if what I said is true (doing the calculations with his global at 7.5 still isn’t sub 6) so you might want to take it with a grain of salt
 
An Animating Cuber said:
I’m fairly sure Yusheng actually averaged faster than what you estimated and just had really bad competition nerves. So let’s say Yusheng averaged closer to 7 so that would make the ratio about 2 so if we divide that by 14 (what he global’s) we get 7 (doing his Pb Ao100 gives 6.77) I’m not sure if what I said is true (doing the calculations with his global at 7.5 still isn’t sub 6) so you might want to take it with a grain of salt
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my pb ao100 is not 13.54 that is what is was when I got my pb
 
JDAW6 said:
You see guys, we need more people like you otamota people who don’t falsely accuse people without looking at the facts.
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Incoming Rant:

Most of this thread is just extremely unnecessary, and there is no need to constantly try to prove the other person(s) wrong. I can understand the idea that people want to be right about things, but too many of these 72 pages are just arguing about JDAW's times, even if some of them may be fake. I see both sides here and understand why JDAW is annoyed(If they are real), and why other people are annoyed(if they are fake), but this has gone on for a while(I only got here in September though), and it only really harms the thread and forums to keep arguing about it, no matter the legitimacy. I have learned that cheating is something that only harms yourself, and this applies here too. There is bitterness on both sides here, and it needs to be resolved in some way. I personally think it would be best to stop faking(if they are, not saying that they are certainly fake), and to not accuse people of their times, as it does not give the accuser any gain other than simply proving someone else wrong. I hope to see this situation get better in the future, as I was in a rather similar situation a few weeks ago, and simply apologizing made it a lot better. Hopefully this goes back to progression and not a debate club at some point. Thank you for coming to my ted talk. :)
 
OtaMota said:
Let's refer to the case of Yuheng Du. When he got his 3.47, his pr average was 7.43. This is 2.14 ratio between single and average. 13.54 / 2.14 is 6.33. Pretty fast, but not sub-6. It is important to note that 7.43 was Yushengs pr average, and not his global. I am going to do a rough estimation between pr average and global. Yiheng has 4.48, ad he globals about 5.2. 1.16 ratio. So if Yusheng had a 7.43 pr average, we could estimate he globaled 8.6 at the time. 8.6/3.47 is a 2.48 ratio. If we take JDAW6's ao100 pb of 13.54, and divide by 2.48, we get 5.46, sub-6. Keep in mind that Yusheng Du got 3.47 IN COMP, so JDAW6 getting sub-6 at home is quite believable.
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This isn't a particularly reliable calculation. You're estimating Yusheng's global average based on his PR average (using the numbers of the fastest solver in the world, no less), while those ratios are anything but predictable. I averaged (at the time of my PR average) sub-15, maybe 14.5-14.9. My PR average is 13.90. On the other hand, I have a friend who, at their first comp, averaged mid-high 20s and ended up with a 37 because of absolutely absurd stress levels. The reasoning you provided doesn't really seem convincing in the slightest.

In addition, what makes you think the ratio between PB single/average is consistent from a 7 second solver to a 14 second one? The faster you are, the closer you get to the theoretical minimum barrier (and the literal minimum of 0.00) of 3x3 times. Therefore, the smaller the gap between single and average. As you get faster, PBs have to be so insanely fast and lucky that it's much harder to improve them, which isn't as much the case for slower solvers.

You really don't provide any backing for your base assumptions, and you used a single cherry-picked example to find your ratios. And yes, it's "possible" that JDAW's sub-6's were/are legitimate. It's also "possible" to get a scramble with M' as the solution. And no, this post is not "proof that they're fake" or anything like that, just pointing out flaws in your reasoning.

Skewby_Doo said:
Incoming Rant:

Most of this thread is just extremely unnecessary, and there is no need to constantly try to prove the other person(s) wrong. I can understand the idea that people want to be right about things, but too many of these 72 pages are just arguing about JDAW's times, even if some of them may be fake. I see both sides here and understand why JDAW is annoyed(If they are real), and why other people are annoyed(if they are fake), but this has gone on for a while(I only got here in September though), and it only really harms the thread and forums to keep arguing about it, no matter the legitimacy. I have learned that cheating is something that only harms yourself, and this applies here too. There is bitterness on both sides here, and it needs to be resolved in some way. I personally think it would be best to stop faking(if they are, not saying that they are certainly fake), and to not accuse people of their times, as it does not give the accuser any gain other than simply proving someone else wrong. I hope to see this situation get better in the future, as I was in a rather similar situation a few weeks ago, and simply apologizing made it a lot better. Hopefully this goes back to progression and not a debate club at some point. Thank you for coming to my ted talk. :)
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I'm honestly 10x as sick of people trying to "stOp thE DraMA" than I am of people making bad analyses that "prOVe!!!1!" JDAW's legitimacy or lack thereof. One could argue that all of what we do is unnecessary, yet here we are enjoying the discussion nevertheless.
 
ProStar said:
This isn't a particularly reliable calculation. You're estimating Yusheng's global average based on his PR average (using the numbers of the fastest solver in the world, no less), while those ratios are anything but predictable. I averaged (at the time of my PR average) sub-15, maybe 14.5-14.9. My PR average is 13.90. On the other hand, I have a friend who, at their first comp, averaged mid-high 20s and ended up with a 37 because of absolutely absurd stress levels. The reasoning you provided doesn't really seem convincing in the slightest.

In addition, what makes you think the ratio between PB single/average is consistent from a 7 second solver to a 14 second one? The faster you are, the closer you get to the theoretical minimum barrier (and the literal minimum of 0.00) of 3x3 times. Therefore, the smaller the gap between single and average. As you get faster, PBs have to be so insanely fast and lucky that it's much harder to improve them, which isn't as much the case for slower solvers.

You really don't provide any backing for your base assumptions, and you used a single cherry-picked example to find your ratios. And yes, it's "possible" that JDAW's sub-6's were/are legitimate. It's also "possible" to get a scramble with M' as the solution. And no, this post is not "proof that they're fake" or anything like that, just pointing out flaws in your reasoning.



I'm honestly 10x as sick of people trying to "stOp thE DraMA" than I am of people making bad analyses that "prOVe!!!1!" JDAW's legitimacy or lack thereof. One could argue that all of what we do is unnecessary, yet here we are enjoying the discussion nevertheless.
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True, just saying that the whole thread is getting a bit out of hand(In my opinion)
 
ProStar said:
This isn't a particularly reliable calculation. You're estimating Yusheng's global average based on his PR average (using the numbers of the fastest solver in the world, no less), while those ratios are anything but predictable. I averaged (at the time of my PR average) sub-15, maybe 14.5-14.9. My PR average is 13.90. On the other hand, I have a friend who, at their first comp, averaged mid-high 20s and ended up with a 37 because of absolutely absurd stress levels. The reasoning you provided doesn't really seem convincing in the slightest.

In addition, what makes you think the ratio between PB single/average is consistent from a 7 second solver to a 14 second one? The faster you are, the closer you get to the theoretical minimum barrier (and the literal minimum of 0.00) of 3x3 times. Therefore, the smaller the gap between single and average. As you get faster, PBs have to be so insanely fast and lucky that it's much harder to improve them, which isn't as much the case for slower solvers.

You really don't provide any backing for your base assumptions, and you used a single cherry-picked example to find your ratios. And yes, it's "possible" that JDAW's sub-6's were/are legitimate. It's also "possible" to get a scramble with M' as the solution. And no, this post is not "proof that they're fake" or anything like that, just pointing out flaws in your reasoning.



I'm honestly 10x as sick of people trying to "stOp thE DraMA" than I am of people making bad analyses that "prOVe!!!1!" JDAW's legitimacy or lack thereof. One could argue that all of what we do is unnecessary, yet here we are enjoying the discussion nevertheless.
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x2.
 
JDAW6 said:
stop being so mean, i thought the cubing community was nice but I see now it is just a hostile community with people who will call u a cheater when they are faster then u
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I’m not trying to be rude. The cubing community is indeed very nice, but people don’t like tolerating people who cheat, as that takes the fun out of it.
 
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