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Self-invented Algorithms

Thom S.

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Jperm said it sucks lol
if Jperm say you should jump off the bridge would you do it?
please say yes
It's not the case of blindly following J Perm, the Wide T Perm is something you can find someone "discover" in this Forum about once a month/two months on slow times. J Perm has the misfortune that the SS Forum Community mindset is different from the Youtube Community Mindset so he gets comments about this much more frequently and had to tell everybody the truth about how it's worse than other A Prlerms.
I mean, in 2016 I found the wide T Perm as well, played with it, told Noone, and let it go since it seemed worse than standard. And it's the same as many others.
 

NigelTheCuber

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It's not the case of blindly following J Perm, the Wide T Perm is something you can find someone "discover" in this Forum about once a month/two months on slow times. J Perm has the misfortune that the SS Forum Community mindset is different from the Youtube Community Mindset so he gets comments about this much more frequently and had to tell everybody the truth about how it's worse than other A Prlerms.
I mean, in 2016 I found the wide T Perm as well, played with it, told Noone, and let it go since it seemed worse than standard. And it's the same as many others.
Yeah, right. I should not blindly follow Jperm
 

Lazy Einstein

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Back in the day, just stuff like F R U R' U' R U R' U' F' U R' F' U' F U R when trying to find other ZBLL options by messing with triggers and fast OLLs for setups to see what we could find.

All my best finds were with CE like the OH V perm I found that Patrick Ponce and some other world class cubers still use.
Found too many 'optimal' and current top ZBLLs and BLD Comms to even keep count of or remember at this point. But, they were all with CE.
Even stuff like using the R U R' F' with S and AS to find those ZBLLs you posted. I have done stuff like that but usually just found algs that we had previously discovered with CE.

I figured out that I could turn L U' R U L' into r f' U f r' that works super good with a few ZBLLs. That was pretty neat.
I like using R U R' U R' U' R2 U' R2' U' r f' U f r' now because of it.
That is more like modifying finger tricks.

Use CE! Love CE.
 
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Lazy Einstein

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Jperm said it sucks lol
Why quote J Perm, or anyone, as the authority or source that an alg is bad.
While some algs clearly are not viable in speedsolving, when it comes to the 'good/bad' among algs useful for speedsolving,
individual strengths, levels of skill, and movement-group preferences dictate that an alg's quality is heavily subjective.

Many, before Dylan's prominence, found, discussed, and agreed that the wide T perm is bad at intermediate/advanced levels of cubing compared to stuff like some of the RUD algs.
The wide T perm is fantastic for new cubers if it is:
- easier for them to execute,
- better in helping one to learn/remember algs faster; and/or,
- increases their enjoyment in speed solving.
 

Thom S.

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Why quote J Perm, or anyone, as the authority or source that an alg is bad.
J Perm is the easy way, since when the majority of experienced cubers say Wide T is bad, nobody believes us, but when J Perm released that video, a lot of comments said that they finally switched back, so he is not an authority but credible.

While some algs clearly are not viable in speedsolving, when it comes to the 'good/bad' among algs useful for speedsolving,
individual strengths, levels of skill, and movement-group preferences dictate that an alg's quality is heavily subjective.
That is indeed right. But I am sure we can agree that Regular T is easier to perform than Wide T and both A Perms are executed by experts significantly faster than T is.

Many, before Dylan's prominence, found, discussed, and agreed that the wide T perm is bad at intermediate/advanced levels of cubing compared to stuff like some of the RUD algs.
I started telling every Cuber that used it that it in reality is worse than standard A Perm about in 2015, still, he has rightened more people with his reach and credibility than I have.

The wide T perm is fantastic for new cubers if it is:
- easier for them to execute,
- better in helping one to learn/remember algs faster; and/or,
- increases their enjoyment in speed solving.
Execution is subjective, I won't smear myself in into that point, but for me, it isn't.
New cubers don't have a grasp on Triggers or common moves so any alg will be about as hard to learn. I would even argue that RUD A Perm is easier to remember since you break up less ot the cube and therefore have more blocks to aid rememberance and since it is less moves, that helps too. Back in the Day, I learned the A Perm as Part of my first beginner Method as the Telephone Move and got it down really quick so I'd say it's completely learnable.
Enjoyment again is completely subjective(but who even gets enjoyment out of cubing anymore) but Will you enjoy learning another alg later when you have the first one eched into your brain already?
 
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