abunickabhi
Legend
Super impressive solutions. I have been following LMCF and other Waterman variants since 2016.
More about the LMCF: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2QnZ3uD6I8kNkpHSURSbzluc2s/view
[Unofficial] Solid LMCF average of 12 by Eric Fattah
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Super impressive solutions. I have been following LMCF and other Waterman variants since 2016.
More about the LMCF: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2QnZ3uD6I8kNkpHSURSbzluc2s/view
guelda
Regular
Hehe, nice from you to "promote" him! 
Well deserved for sure.
I've been interested in LMCF since I've seen the post on this forum, 'cause it seems fun, and made a few solves which were cool. But my problem is that I seem to always have cases where I can't solve in pairs or triplets, only one by one, even taking all time needed to find some possible pairs. I may not have understood perfectly the method though (still quite a noob actually), in case someone has got an idea about this I'd be glad to hear.
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Probably not the place to write this, but as I very rarely write on the forum, I just wanted to say that you're a great forum member: very active and always being positive and constructive, very enjoyable to read! Well, I'm not gonna learn 5-style though, I don't even know OLL/PLL!
Well deserved for sure.I've been interested in LMCF since I've seen the post on this forum, 'cause it seems fun, and made a few solves which were cool. But my problem is that I seem to always have cases where I can't solve in pairs or triplets, only one by one, even taking all time needed to find some possible pairs. I may not have understood perfectly the method though (still quite a noob actually), in case someone has got an idea about this I'd be glad to hear.
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Probably not the place to write this, but as I very rarely write on the forum, I just wanted to say that you're a great forum member: very active and always being positive and constructive, very enjoyable to read! Well, I'm not gonna learn 5-style though, I don't even know OLL/PLL!
abunickabhi
Legend
Hehe, nice from you to "promote" him!
I've been interested in LMCF since I've seen the post on this forum, 'cause it seems fun, and made a few solves which were cool. But my problem is that I seem to always have cases where I can't solve in pairs or triplets, only one by one, even taking all time needed to find some possible pairs. I may not have understood perfectly the method though (still quite a noob actually), in case someone has got an idea about this I'd be glad to hear.
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Probably not the place to write this, but as I very rarely write on the forum, I just wanted to say that you're a great forum member: very active and always being positive and constructive, very enjoyable to read! Well, I'm not gonna learn 5-style though, I don't even know OLL/PLL!
Yeah, I can relate to it. I tried to learn LMCF too a few years back, and got a bit confused in the L7E and triples making.
Thanks for the kind words, I do enjoy SS forum a lot and I have happy to have discovered it in 2014.
I just enjoy Cubing in general. Its a unique sport and a young sport.
The only case which is usually not solved as a pair/triplet is the case where all the remaining ledges/redges are in the M-slice. Even then I have algs to solve two m-slice edges at once but lookahead is usually too hard to do it without a pause.
All the triplet algorithms are also pair algorithms. For example if a triplet solves edges A,B,C, then in the absence of edge B, the algorithm still solves edges A & C. So a triplet alg that solves A,B,C, is also three pair algs: A+B, B+C, A+C.
The triplet & pair algs in the posted LMCF document are well out of date and newer ones have been generated and also for much more possible triplet cases and also quadruplet cases. However I haven't posted the update primarily because the algs are disorganized and not every single possible case has been generated so the 'tables' have gaps.
When learning LMCF, slow solves over months is recommended using always the same colors on L/R, R/L. Eventually, recognition of edge cases becomes instant and you can then chain together edge algorithms where a triplet merges into a pair or vice versa, into a longer algorithm with move cancellation in the middle.
Also it is important to solve at least 2 edges, preferably 4, during the transition phase, this makes ergonomics much better during E2L so you need fewer rotations. More recently, to further decrease rotations, I have adopted to solve the basic edge pair algorithms in the DR/DL slots using U/M/D moves. Lookahead is a little harder but this eliminates the extremely bad case of having to do an X2 rotation.
I'm sad I didn't get the 12.02 Ao5 on camera. While my times are not super fast, what is remarkable is that the total time to solve the cube is on average 3 times the time it takes to solve corners. For someone who can solve the corners in 1.5 seconds, that predicts 4.50 for the whole cube.
All the triplet algorithms are also pair algorithms. For example if a triplet solves edges A,B,C, then in the absence of edge B, the algorithm still solves edges A & C. So a triplet alg that solves A,B,C, is also three pair algs: A+B, B+C, A+C.
The triplet & pair algs in the posted LMCF document are well out of date and newer ones have been generated and also for much more possible triplet cases and also quadruplet cases. However I haven't posted the update primarily because the algs are disorganized and not every single possible case has been generated so the 'tables' have gaps.
When learning LMCF, slow solves over months is recommended using always the same colors on L/R, R/L. Eventually, recognition of edge cases becomes instant and you can then chain together edge algorithms where a triplet merges into a pair or vice versa, into a longer algorithm with move cancellation in the middle.
Also it is important to solve at least 2 edges, preferably 4, during the transition phase, this makes ergonomics much better during E2L so you need fewer rotations. More recently, to further decrease rotations, I have adopted to solve the basic edge pair algorithms in the DR/DL slots using U/M/D moves. Lookahead is a little harder but this eliminates the extremely bad case of having to do an X2 rotation.
I'm sad I didn't get the 12.02 Ao5 on camera. While my times are not super fast, what is remarkable is that the total time to solve the cube is on average 3 times the time it takes to solve corners. For someone who can solve the corners in 1.5 seconds, that predicts 4.50 for the whole cube.
abunickabhi
Legend
Wow nice explanation. Look forward to you publishing the new algorithms and updated LMCF document.
guelda
Regular
This sounds good, I didn't think about that (and it seems pretty logical after thinking back...), thank you Eric for providing additional information about this method!
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