Future WCA events

[BenChristman1]

How about 15 puzzle, Master Pyraminx and FTO?

I agree with the last 2, but 15 puzzle is like clock in that if we add it now, we will regret it in 3-5 years, because it’s so different from everything else in the WCA (basically the same situation as clock).

 

[gruuby]

Hear me out: Clock with feet.

 

[Cubing Forever]

Bring back Feet. It's so much fun.

 

[crazycuber36]

Bring back Feet. It's so much fun.

Wait they removed feet?

 

[BenChristman1]

Wait they removed feet?

Yeah...it got removed at the end of 2019.

 

[tx789]

Except kilominx, I think it comes pretty close

no. kilominx is just 2x2 megaminx

 

[Paul.Mz]

I think they should bring mirror blocks
And cheese puzzle

 

[seungju choi]

maybe gear...?
I hope to add MegaBLD

 

[Silky]

no. kilominx is just 2x2 megaminx

So what you're saying is we should remove 2x2 ?

 

[cuberbutnotacuber]

Probably Kilominx, Curvy Copter and the Redi Cube.

 

[tx789]

So what you're saying is we should remove 2x2 ?

No Kilominx is just a bad idea for an event. It is going to be a fast event that is a bit scramble dependent and isn't unique. The top Kilominx solvers will be megaminx solvers.

Fto is far more unique and won't give people who specialise in a event a huge advantage over other people.

 

[CrispyCubing]

It is going to be a fast event that is a bit scramble dependent and isn't unique.

Is 3x3 to fast of an event? Because I doubt Kilominx times will get faster than 6 seconds on avg. Could be wrong though... This is one of the fastest averages I've seen (13.39 Ao5).

The top Kilominx solvers will be megaminx solvers.

idk if I even want to mention 4x4-7x7, I've seen this argument many times.

 

[xyzzy]

No Kilominx is just a bad idea for an event. It is going to be a fast event that is a bit scramble dependent and isn't unique.

Citation needed.

(edit) For context, I wrote this last year:

Kilominx isn't nearly as luck-heavy as those other events. How frequently do you see stuff like a one-move layer? That's right, the answer is basically never, even if you're full CN. (Back-of-the-envelope calculation says it's around 1/31000, which is less than the probability of getting a 4-move 222 scramble (1/1989), a 7-move skewb scramble (1/9.8), a 6-move pyra scramble (1/414), a ≤9-move Redi scramble (1/4365), or a one-move cross on 3×3×3 (1/1987), and also pretty close to a full cross skip on 3×3×3 (~1/32000).)

It's analogous to a 2×2×2 in the sense that it has only corners. It is absolutely not analogous in the sense that it has a small state space, which it doesn't: the state space is much smaller than a megaminx's, sure, but still a few orders of magnitude larger than a 3×3×3's.

 

[BenChristman1]

idk if I even want to mention 4x4-7x7, I've seen this argument many times.

I was going to mention this as well. As I said in an earlier post, I actually think that extending the minxes as well as possibly OH and FMC would be good for the WCA. There is not as much motivation for people to specialize in anything other than NxNs, because if you’re good at one event, you won’t necessarily be good at another (assuming they’re not both NxNs), but we could make it so that somebody specializes in the minxes, OH, or FMC by extending to more puzzles that are similar to others that we already have.

 

[abunickabhi]

I think the events that we have on the SS comps, which are not there in the WCA are good candidates.

So events like redi cube, curvy copter, FTO, speedFMC, etc can be added to the WCA soon if the group of people doing these events seriously get larger.

Personally, I like the event Master Pyraminx. Its much better than pyraminx, and involves some interesting things that we can do during the solve.

 

[Silky]

No Kilominx is just a bad idea for an event. It is going to be a fast event that is a bit scramble dependent and isn't unique. The top Kilominx solvers will be megaminx solvers.

Fto is far more unique and won't give people who specialise in a event a huge advantage over other people.

I agree that FTO'a uniqueness makes it an even better event but saying that Kilominx isn't ' unique ' enough isn't really relevant. I've talked about this before somewhere else but 12 of the 17 events are all nxn/nxn variant events and nobody has a problem with that..

Kilominx being a fast event is actually in favor of the event, logistically. This (speed ) also makes the event far more accessible. Remember, 2x2 and Pyraminx are the second and third most popular events.

There are tons of events that are scramble dependent.. 2x2 3x3 4x4 Squan Pyra Skewb 3BLD.. It's far away from trivial so who cares ? Luck will always be a factor in speedsolving, that's one of the things that make it interesting.

Lastly about megaminx solvers being better.. Again going back to nxn events nobody complains the advantage nxn solvers got on 6x6 and 7x7 and literally all of the other events. Again I think that accessibility is more important here than who has an initial advantage. Accessibility leads to popularity and competition, which ultimately is the goal.

 

[Silky]

Is 3x3 to fast of an event? Because I doubt Kilominx times will get faster than 6 seconds on avg. Could be wrong though... This is one of the fastest averages I've seen (13.39 Ao5).

idk if I even want to mention 4x4-7x7, I've seen this argument many times.

I mean anything that isn't 3x3 isn't really an event. No other event is interesting or takes any skill whatsoever. Literally people that do any other event are just hipsters trying to look cool to compensate for the fact that they're bad at 3x3. Smh

 

[tx789]

We have enough short events. Slightly less accessable events are fine and adding more is a good thing. 2x,2 pyra and skewb are enough for super short events.

 

[VIBE_ZT]

Face-Turning Octahedron, Master Pyraminx, Curvy Copter, and Team Blindfolded.

The FTO and M. Pyraminx I feel hit that sweet spot between a trivial and tedious solving experience. The records as of late are also not ridiculously fast/impossible either, which makes for an opportunity for the solving and progression of records to develop over time.

Curvy Copter because it brings multiple new things to the WCA's event list (edge turning, true jumbling, true shapeshifting). The solves, also, are not crazy long. You simply just... Have to learn how to solve it properly. Just like how there are some that solve a 7x7 in 10+ minutes and are subject to the cutoff time of the competition in which they are competing, so too could and would the Curvy Copter have longer average solving and cutoff times.

Team Blindfolded because... well... as has been discussed many times before on this forum, it adds a collaborative aspect to speedcubing.
All 17 WCA events are solo events. You must do it all yourself. To do otherwise would be considered cheating. I, and many others, feel that a team event would add so much to the WCA, and add a whole new dimension to the speedcubing and competition experience.

 

[Sub1Hour]

FTO is pretty obvious, it's the most unique popular non-wca event, and at this point, all it would take for it to be added is a company making a magnetic FTO. One of my favorites, Redi Cube, is also up there. I think it's the second most likely to get added, with FTO as first. Redi Cube is a good fit since it's quite intuitive, and aside from clock and pyra we don't have many events that only require 0-3 algs to get good times (not counting blind).