Ratios of Stages in ZZ Solve

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Joffie Berkowitz

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Hi All again

A while ago I came across the following tread that made a lot of sense to me:
https://www.speedsolving.com/forum/...aining-that-yields-systematic-progress.39406/

Simply, it is a training theory based on the theory that all the best speedcubers have a similar ratio of time spent on each stage [cross 12%, cross+1 24.5%, F2L (inc cross) 62%, OLL 16.5% (inc recog and AUF), PLL 21.5% (inc recognition and AUF), Total last layer 38%.] and if you have a stage in your solves that is out of that proportion (too big), it is the area that needs improvement.

That being said, anyone have an idea/theory/data that would suggest a ratio for ZZ?

Thanks
 
I have some data from about a month ago...
Someone on the ZZ help thread asked about good time splits for sub-20.
I did 100 solves, and timed the EOLine, F2L, and LL. LL is usually COLL+EPLL, but I do s/as+PLL as I don't think those are worth learning the COLL.
Here are my splits. Average was a bit on the higher side, but not that bad.

Average splits:
EOLine: 3.30
F2L: 9.57
Last Layer: 4.49

Overall Mean of entire session: 17.37

If you want to look at the actual data, its in the spoiler
Generated By csTimer on 2016-8-24
solves/total: 100/100

single
best: 12.64
worst: 23.04

mean of 3
current: 17.05 (σ = 3.97)
best: 15.07 (σ = 1.61)

avg of 5
current: 16.42 (σ = 1.17)
best: 15.34 (σ = 0.59)

avg of 12
current: 16.38 (σ = 1.24)
best: 16.32 (σ = 2.16)

avg of 50
current: 17.16 (σ = 1.53)
best: 17.16 (σ = 1.53)

avg of 100
current: 17.36 (σ = 1.64)
best: 17.36 (σ = 1.64)

Average: 17.36 (σ = 1.64)
Mean: 17.37

Time List:
1. 14.94 L F2 U L2 R2 U B2 L2 U R2 U L' D' R2 U' B' U R U L
2. 18.04 R2 B' F2 D2 U2 F' R2 B2 F R2 L' F D2 L U F2 U2 R2 D' R2
3. 18.54 F L2 F' L2 D2 B R2 B2 F' D R' F' R2 D' R B2 R D L
4. 13.25 B2 L D' F2 R B2 U' F' D L B R2 U2 F D2 F' D2 F2 B' L2
5. 16.32 L' B2 U R' B R2 F' R U L D2 B2 L2 U F2 R2 D' F2 U' L2 D'
6. 15.61 R2 U2 L2 D2 B D2 F2 D2 L2 D2 B' U' B L' R' F' D F' L' F' U2
7. 15.34 B' L2 B' D2 R2 B' L2 B L2 B' D' F2 D F2 R D2 U' L' B2
8. 18.64 D B2 L2 F2 R2 D' L2 D B2 L' B2 D' R' U' L' D' B F L'
9. 19.06 L2 B2 F2 R2 D' F2 D2 U2 R2 U' B2 F' L U B' F2 D L2 B' L R2
10. 13.43 U2 B U2 F2 L2 B' D2 L2 F L' U' F' R2 F' U L' R B2
11. 19.16 F2 D F2 R2 U B2 F2 U L2 D2 L2 R B' R' B L D B U2 R2
12. 13.27 U' L U R2 D' F' B2 L' U L2 B2 L' D2 R' F2 B2 U2 B2 U2 L2
13. 23.04 R2 D U' L2 U F2 U R' B2 L' R F D R B L' R2 U2
14. 21.01 B2 L2 B' R2 F D2 L2 B' R2 B' D2 U F' R F' L2 U L B R2
15. 21.77 L2 D2 L2 D' F2 L2 B2 R2 D2 L2 B' L2 U L R F D' U2 L2 R2
16. 17.85 R U' B2 D' R2 B2 R2 B2 D U2 F2 B D2 F' L' B' U2 R' U B
17. 18.50 R2 D2 L' D2 B' R' B2 R2 U' R' B2 R2 F2 U2 F2 U' F2
18. 19.02 B2 R U' L' B2 U2 L D L2 F2 B L2 F D2 B2 D2 L2 D2 F U
19. 17.60 L2 R2 U L2 U' F2 U2 L2 D L2 B L' U B2 F R2 B2 D' B
20. 14.69 U2 R2 F2 D2 L B2 D2 B2 U2 R2 B' L' U R' F2 L2 D2 B2 U' L'
21. 15.14 U R U R2 F B2 U' F' R' D2 L' U2 L B2 L F2 R2 D2 B'
22. 16.22 R2 F U2 L U F2 B2 L' U2 B' F2 R2 B2 L2 D' R2 U D' R2 U F2
23. 18.01 F B2 D2 B2 U' R2 D R2 F2 L2 U' R2 B U2 L U' B' R' U F' D
24. 18.34 U2 B2 L R U2 F2 L R2 U2 F2 R' B F' R B' R2 U R2 D' L' B'
25. 17.00 L F2 U D2 F' U' R' F' U2 B R2 U F2 D2 R2 U R2 B2 D'
26. 18.46 R D' L2 B2 F2 U2 L2 U' F2 U L2 B U B' L F' R2 B D2
27. 19.40 F D2 F' R2 F D2 F2 D2 F2 R2 L' U' B' L' F' R U R2 D U'
28. 17.05 L2 U B2 F2 U' L2 D' B2 L2 B2 D R' D F' U' R2 B' R2 U2 R
29. 17.95 U2 F' D2 B L2 D2 L2 B2 D2 L' F L D' U2 L D2 B2 L U
30. 20.73 R' L2 B D2 F' L2 B L2 F D2 L2 R D U L' B R D2 F U2
31. 19.48 F D' F2 D' L2 F2 U R2 U2 F' R' D L2 B2 L2 U B' F
32. 16.25 L2 U2 B' D2 B' F' D2 U2 B' U2 R' F2 R2 D2 F' L2 D' R F D
33. 16.36 B' U2 B2 D' R2 D R2 U B2 U' F2 U' F D2 U' R' F U B R'
34. 16.00 R D2 R' U2 R' D2 B2 L F2 R' B L' D U2 R B' R' B2 R2 F
35. 14.28 L' B' U' B' R L F B U L' U' D' B2 U L2 U F2 L2 B2 U F2
36. 17.84 F2 U2 B2 L B2 L2 B2 L F2 L' F2 D B' R B2 D2 U' R2 B
37. 19.61 D' F R2 B' D2 U2 B2 L2 B D2 F2 L' R' D' F' L R' B F2 R'
38. 17.26 B2 D F R F D' R B L' F' B2 R2 D2 B2 D' R2 L2 U' L2 U
39. 18.32 D2 L' B2 D2 U2 R U2 R' B2 U2 R' F U B R U' F L' D' B' D2
40. 17.79 L2 U L2 B2 U R2 D2 F2 R2 D' U2 L' B' R F D' L2 D2 B L' U'
41. 14.86 L2 U B2 R' D' B D2 L' F2 U2 R2 U2 F L2 F' U2 L2 F' U2 D
42. 20.78 D2 B R' U R' F2 D F D2 R2 B' L2 B2 L2 F U2 B D2 L
43. 17.12 U2 R2 D2 R' B2 D2 R D2 L2 D2 F2 U' L' U B' U' F2 L' R B
44. 19.95 B2 U' F2 L2 D' L2 B2 D' L2 U B' L' B2 L' D L F2 D B2 U2
45. 18.66 U' R2 B D2 U2 B U2 L2 F' D2 L2 F2 U' R' D2 R F2 U'
46. 16.97 B D2 B' L2 D2 F' L2 R2 D2 F2 R' D2 B D R F L2 U' B L
47. 16.04 D2 B U2 F L2 D2 L2 B' L2 R2 D2 L' D' U R2 U B L F D'
48. 16.10 R U D' F D R F2 R F' B2 D F2 U' F2 L2 F2 B2 U' L2
49. 19.05 R2 U' F2 U' F2 U' L2 F2 U2 B2 U L' D' L2 D R' U' B' L2 F R'
50. 17.91 U2 L2 F' D2 F R2 B' D2 R2 F2 U' F2 L B' F R' D' R2 U
51. 16.80 B2 D F2 U L2 U2 F2 R2 U R2 D' B U2 L U' F L' D' R2 U L
52. 19.92 D2 B F U2 B' R2 U2 F' R2 U2 R' B' R' U R2 U F' U B' L
53. 20.49 B' R2 B' F2 R2 D2 F' R2 D2 B2 U' F L' U' B' F2 D L' F L'
54. 13.83 D2 B' R' F U' L' F L2 B R' B2 R2 F2 L U2 D2 L U2 F2 U'
55. 17.77 L' R2 D2 F2 D' B2 U F2 D2 B2 U L' D L U' L2 R' D B' F' R'
56. 19.12 D' R2 U2 F' U2 B' L2 D2 F2 L2 D2 B2 D B2 D2 R F2 L D' U' R'
57. 15.16 F' L2 F2 L' D2 L B2 F2 R' D2 U' F2 D2 B' R2 U' F2 R D2
58. 18.78 L2 B2 U2 R2 B2 U2 F2 L D2 U2 L' F' D2 U L' F D B' R B' F
59. 15.27 B' L' F U D L' D' R2 B' R' B2 R2 F L2 B' R2 D2 L2 D2 B' D2
60. 19.83 U L2 B2 D L2 F2 D' L2 U F2 R B F L D F R B' L D2
61. 21.08 R D2 B2 D' L2 D' L2 D' L2 U2 L2 U' B R B' L R2 F' U' L B2
62. 18.16 B R' F2 D2 R2 U2 F2 L2 F2 L' B2 D' B2 U2 F' R2 F' R2 U' B'
63. 17.34 D2 F' D' R L U2 F D2 F' D2 B2 R2 F2 R2 U L2 U L2 F2 L2
64. 20.27 L F2 D B U2 D' F R' D F2 R F2 L D2 R' B2 R' U2 R2 B2
65. 14.63 U2 L2 F2 L2 B U2 F L2 D2 B2 U' B' F2 L R D2 B' U2 L' B
66. 18.78 R2 B2 L2 U2 L2 B R2 U2 F L2 D2 L' U R2 U2 B2 R B' R B L
67. 15.20 R U B2 R2 U R2 D2 L2 U L2 R U2 R2 F R B' L' D2 R2
68. 14.82 L' R2 B2 D R2 F2 D2 F D L' B' D B R' U' L
69. 17.88 B D2 L2 B F2 D2 B' R2 U2 R2 F' L B2 D U2 F2 U2 B' L' F'
70. 15.98 B2 U2 R2 B2 U' F2 U' F2 R2 D' L' B' L' R' U L' D B2 L R
71. 12.64 D' B2 R2 D2 L2 U' L2 R2 U2 B' U R2 B U2 F2 L' R2 B F U'
72. 17.51 U B' L2 U2 R2 D2 B U2 F D2 R2 U' B' U F2 L F' U' F2 L
73. 16.01 L2 F2 U2 B2 D2 R B2 R D2 R U R2 F' D L R' F L' D L'
74. 17.34 F2 L2 R2 F2 L2 B' F L2 F' D2 R D L R2 B2 U F2 R B' D'
75. 18.36 F2 L2 B R F' B' L' U2 D' B L2 B2 R2 F2 D2 L2 U R2 L2 B2 D2
76. 17.45 L2 F L2 B2 R2 B U2 R2 F' L2 F' U' F R' F' R F2 U' R' U'
77. 19.38 U R F2 U F' B D' B' R D' B2 U R2 U' D2 B2 U B2
78. 15.73 L2 B2 U' B2 U' B2 D L2 D2 F2 U' B L' R B R' B2 F' L2 D' R'
79. 16.96 F' D2 U2 F' D2 L2 D2 L2 B2 L2 F' U' R B' F L F' L2 U F
80. 19.33 U' L2 F2 L2 D2 F2 D U2 B2 U L' B2 U2 R2 F U R' D' L' D'
81. 17.19 D' L2 U' R2 D' F2 D' U2 R2 F2 D' R D2 B U2 R' B2 L' F
82. 16.17 B2 D2 R2 U' L2 U' L2 F2 D R2 U R' F U2 L2 R' F' D U2 F2
83. 17.32 U' L' U2 R' B2 U2 L' U2 L F2 U2 L2 F' D2 R2 D' R B' L D
84. 17.47 B F R2 B2 R2 D2 F' U2 F2 U2 L2 D F' L' D2 L2 U L2 U2 R F2
85. 17.73 R F2 D' F' L' D2 L B' L2 F2 D R2 U L2 D F2 B2 L2 B2 L'
86. 17.32 L F B L2 U' F' R2 D F L' B2 L U2 F2 L' F2 R2 B2 U2 L D'
87. 18.32 B2 D' U2 L2 U F2 L2 B2 L2 U B U R' D F' D2 F' U2 F' R'
88. 15.62 R2 B2 U R2 D B2 U R2 B2 L2 R' B' D2 U L R' U R' D B'
89. 16.97 R2 B' D' R' F' B' U L' B' R2 U2 B2 D' L2 D F2 B2 U2 F2 U R'
90. 15.43 L2 U2 B U2 F' U2 B2 U2 F' R U' B2 R' D F U L' B' U
91. 18.36 B U' D' L U' F' R' U F' D L F2 R U2 D2 R B2 D2 L2 D2
92. 16.93 L2 B2 L U2 R F2 R2 F2 R2 U2 R' U B R F' U B R' B2
93. 17.16 D' U2 F' R2 D2 F2 L2 B D2 B L F' L F2 D L2 B U B2
94. 14.39 L B2 D2 F2 L2 U2 L' B2 R D' R' F2 U' L' D R2 B2 F' U'
95. 15.34 D2 F2 R D2 R' U2 F2 L' F2 L R2 F' D B2 D2 L U B F R U
96. 16.34 F D R B D L D F2 R F' D B2 L2 U' B2 D' B2 D F2 R2 D
97. 17.61 U' R2 D' R' L D' L' F' D2 R2 L' D2 L' B2 U2 B2 D2 L' B2
98. 21.59 L2 D' B' U R U' F' U D F2 L2 F' L2 U2 R2 L2 B' R2 F' D2
99. 14.27 D U B2 R2 D' F2 R2 U R2 B2 U R' F2 D' B L B L' D2 U'
100. 15.28 U2 F2 U2 R2 B' D2 L2 B F' R2 F' R U' F U2 L B' D2 B2 L2 R2

The splits wouldn't copy right, but If you feel like formatting all this, go ahead.

2.957.064.93218.042.6310.554.86318.543.5210.534.48413.252.027.253.97516.3216.444.536.485.30615.6116.673.159.512.94715.3415.763.068.283.99818.6415.762.8410.844.96919.0616.863.3211.634.101013.4316.542.966.953.511119.1617.682.5112.234.421213.2717.0516.321.827.234.211323.0417.2216.756.9111.264.861421.0117.8717.043.6411.455.921521.7720.6517.373.1412.895.731617.8520.2117.823.3211.343.181718.5020.4318.045.399.004.111819.0219.5118.382.9611.234.821917.6018.4618.613.9210.223.442014.6917.9918.212.787.834.072115.1417.0917.822.507.894.732216.2216.3218.102.4811.072.652318.0116.3217.992.579.386.052418.3416.4618.354.3711.922.042517.0017.0817.872.169.485.342618.4617.7917.622.1210.475.852719.4018.2717.623.5610.105.732817.0517.9517.542.758.615.682917.9517.8217.482.3811.224.353020.7318.6117.524.2012.264.273119.4818.9517.715.338.895.253216.2518.1717.822.778.734.743316.3617.9417.833.217.036.113416.0017.3717.834.097.834.073514.2816.2117.632.716.704.863617.8416.2117.583.2811.023.533719.6116.7417.842.6610.596.363817.2617.0417.732.929.344.993918.3217.8117.621.8111.574.944017.7917.9917.692.939.934.924114.8617.7917.382.499.103.264220.7817.7917.382.9213.694.154317.1217.7517.151.639.056.434419.9518.2917.524.6610.704.584518.6618.5817.751.8415.321.504616.9718.5817.843.818.384.784716.0417.5917.963.199.043.814816.1017.2517.792.419.504.184919.0517.2517.732.3811.924.745017.9117.0017.804.299.114.505116.8016.9417.654.797.834.185219.9217.9317.863.7011.724.495320.4918.9718.303.9612.164.365413.8318.2217.862.936.824.075517.7718.1717.921.6411.594.525619.1218.9417.843.2511.434.445715.1617.3517.492.168.464.535818.7817.2417.675.459.693.645915.2717.2817.593.828.492.966019.8317.7317.971.5213.374.926121.0817.9718.116.099.465.526218.1618.9318.135.107.915.146317.3418.4518.192.788.725.836420.2719.4318.224.5510.874.846514.6318.6017.644.146.863.626618.7818.1018.052.9310.535.316715.2017.1117.802.648.274.276814.8216.2717.372.517.305.006917.8815.9717.644.3810.313.187015.9816.3617.362.3311.412.247112.6415.3417.292.317.333.007217.5116.1117.063.1410.274.107316.0116.5016.633.217.085.707417.3416.4516.553.5410.533.257518.3616.9616.653.469.954.947617.4517.4416.524.907.704.857719.3817.7216.944.018.167.207815.7317.7216.632.808.474.457916.9617.6016.813.008.735.238019.3317.9217.263.2612.453.618117.1917.8317.193.4310.063.698216.1716.7817.211.919.694.568317.3217.1617.377.367.052.918417.4717.3317.363.4312.301.738517.7317.3317.543.817.646.268617.3217.3717.534.027.256.048718.3217.5117.533.4310.444.458815.6217.5117.363.748.513.368916.9717.3417.123.767.595.609015.4316.6417.113.906.734.799118.3616.9817.251.669.697.019216.9316.5117.114.308.174.459317.1617.0217.102.2511.493.409414.3916.5117.031.858.703.839515.3416.4816.833.258.743.349616.3416.2116.722.7910.093.469717.6116.2816.714.886.755.979821.5916.4416.813.2212.066.309914.2716.4416.422.078.623.5710015.2816.4216.382.448.234.59solve: 100/100
mean: 17.373.309.574.49
 
Just did an ao5 (not warmed up)

EOLine: 2.7
F2L (not including eoline): 16
LL: 5

11% 68% 21%
 
Did an Ao12:

EOLine: 2.45 Seconds (16.61%)
ZZF2L : 8.60 Seconds (58.31%)
LL : 3.70 Seconds (25.08%)

Mean of 12: 14.75
Average of 12: 14.843

My Splits are pretty close to others.
Some of the Last Layers sucked due to me just learning COLL a couple days ago.

Generated By csTimer on 2016-8-25
solves/total: 12/12

single
best: 10.097
worst: 18.576

mean of 3
current: 13.757 (σ = 2.89)
best: 13.757 (σ = 2.89)

avg of 5
current: 15.310 (σ = 1.75)
best: 15.310 (σ = 1.75)

avg of 12
current: 14.843 (σ = 1.87)
best: 14.843 (σ = 1.87)

Average: 14.843 (σ = 1.87)
Mean: 14.758

Time List:
1. 10.097[PLL Skip] R D2 U2 R' D2 L R2 U2 R D2 F' R B R' B' L2 D B' R' U2
2. 15.752 L2 D2 B2 U L2 D' F2 L2 U' B2 R2 F' L2 F2 L' R' U' L B' U F'
3. 15.713 U2 B2 L B2 D2 B2 D2 L' U2 L U2 B' D' L F R' U' B' L B' U'
4. 15.281 D2 F L2 R2 B2 F' U2 B' U2 F' L2 D U F L' B D2 R D' U'
5. 18.576 F2 D L2 R2 U2 L2 U' B2 R2 B2 D' F L' B' R F L' B' D2 L' U'
6. 12.744 F2 U B2 U' R2 F2 D2 R2 F2 U' B2 R' F' L B U B D' L2 D
7. 15.000 F2 L2 B U2 L2 U2 B2 D2 B' R2 F' D' F' D F2 L' F U L R' U
8. 15.729 F B2 L2 D' R2 D B2 D2 F2 D L2 U2 F D B' U L' R D' R B2
9. 16.935 F2 U2 B2 D2 R2 F2 R D2 U2 F2 U' B' D' B D' B R' D L' B'
10. 16.816 U2 R2 U2 L2 B' F2 R2 U2 L F2 R2 B2 R' U B L D' B2
11. 13.384 B2 R B2 D' R2 B' R' D' L' D2 R' D2 R U2 R2 U2 R D2 F2 U'
12. 11.072[Easy LL] U2 L2 B2 L2 D L2 D2 R2 U B2 L2 R D2 R' F' D B' F R F' R'
 
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