[Help Thread] Kilominx Discussion and Help

[WACWCA]

Any links to algs/methods for someone looking at getting into this puzzle?

On the first post Corey put LL algs but I don't know of any others.

 

[biscuit]

The scrambler/solver isn't optimal is it? Reason I ask, is because there should be some lower bound that is filtered out by the scrambler (like there is with other puzzles). It would't work right without it being optimal would it?

 

[Cale S]

The scrambler/solver isn't optimal is it? Reason I ask, is because there should be some lower bound that is filtered out by the scrambler (like there is with other puzzles). It would't work right without it being optimal would it?

It's optimal with the given moveset, but not necessarily optimal

 

[OLLiver]

so what is 1LLL like for this if there are only 3PLL and 16 OLL?

 

[Cale S]

so what is 1LLL like for this if there are only 3PLL and 16 OLL?

3 + 12*16 = 195 not including solved

if you inserted the last slot corner twisted in a fixed direction the number of TCLL algs would be the same

 

[OLLiver]

3 + 12*16 = 195 not including solved

if you inserted the last slot corner twisted in a fixed direction the number of TCLL algs would be the same

hmm. Anyone know how to generate algs on a mac?

 

[Cale S]

comparison of 2-look LSLL methods:

CLS: 294 CLS, 3 PLL
297 algs

CLL: insert corner, 1LLL
195 algs

"ZZ-CT": 50 TSLE, 63 TTLL
113 algs

 

[Solar]

So I was just wondering, If (or in sometime in our future, WHEN) Kilominx becomes an event, would it be fine to remove the center caps of a Kilominx? The SS Kilo has (black) center caps that do not affect normal solving, and are quite annoying to take off. If we take those caps off, it will truly be a 2x2 Megaminx, in the sense that a 2x2 has exposed screws. Would a Kilo without the center caps on be legal? If so, how can I write this as a regulation?

 

[JustinTimeCuber]

So I was just wondering, If (or in sometime in our future, WHEN) Kilominx becomes an event, would it be fine to remove the center caps of a Kilominx? The SS Kilo has (black) center caps that do not affect normal solving, and are quite annoying to take off. If we take those caps off, it will truly be a 2x2 Megaminx, in the sense that a 2x2 has exposed screws. Would a Kilo without the center caps on be legal? If so, how can I write this as a regulation?

I don't know if it's necessary to add such a regulation. Here's a relevant question: Is a 6x6 with a missing inner edge piece illegal? Not "Would I be barred from using such a 6x6?", but "Is it technically illegal?"

 

[Ranzha]

So I was just wondering, If (or in sometime in our future, WHEN) Kilominx becomes an event, would it be fine to remove the center caps of a Kilominx? The SS Kilo has (black) center caps that do not affect normal solving, and are quite annoying to take off. If we take those caps off, it will truly be a 2x2 Megaminx, in the sense that a 2x2 has exposed screws. Would a Kilo without the center caps on be legal? If so, how can I write this as a regulation?

I don't know if it's necessary to add such a regulation. Here's a relevant question: Is a 6x6 with a missing inner edge piece illegal? Not "Would I be barred from using such a 6x6?", but "Is it technically illegal?"

Your answer:

3h) ...Modified versions of puzzles are permitted only if the modification does not make any additional information available to the competitor (e.g. orientation or identity of pieces), compared to an unmodified version of the same puzzle.

...

• 3h3) Any modifications to a puzzle that result in poor performance by a competitor are not grounds for additional attempts.

 

[JustinTimeCuber]

So for purposes of Kilominx, I think regulation 3h applies (as long as you remove all of the caps).

 

[Ranzha]

So for purposes of Kilominx, I think regulation 3h applies (as long as you remove all of the caps).

It won't matter because the caps don't affect solved state at all. It's like choosing to pin-mod one centre on a V-Cube 6.

 

[JustinTimeCuber]

It won't matter because the caps don't affect solved state at all. It's like choosing to pin-mod one centre on a V-Cube 6.

Couldn't you theoretically tell which side is the white side by removing that cap and then feeling the screw?

 

[Hssandwich]

Couldn't you theoretically tell which side is the white side by removing that cap and then feeling the screw?

No because, like 6x6, the sides change after every solve.

 

[JustinTimeCuber]

No because, like 2x2, the sides change after every solve.

No they don't, at least not on most 2x2s. I don't know exactly how the Kilominx works when it comes to a misalignment mechanism, but on 2x2, the screw on the white side remains the screw on the white side after every solve.

 

[Hssandwich]

No they don't, at least not on most 2x2s. I don't know exactly how the Kilominx works when it comes to a misalignment mechanism, but on 2x2, the screw on the white side remains the screw on the white side after every solve.

Oops, sorry, I meant 6x6 Kilominx sides do change though.

 

[JustinTimeCuber]

Oops, sorry, I meant 6x6 Kilominx sides do change though.

Nevermind, I don't have a kilominx yet so I don't know exactly how it works

 

[Ranzha]

Nevermind, I don't have a kilominx yet so I don't know exactly how it works

You never cease to amaze.

 

[JustinTimeCuber]

You never cease to amaze.

I was just extrapolating from what I know about 2x2. I just thought that Kilominx might be similar. After thinking about it, I see why this doesn't work.

This argument is stupid anyway.

 

[WACWCA]

I just got my Kilo today, I was wondering if it would be a good idea to make a side instead of the first layer and then turn it into a layer with an alg from there since sometimes I'll see like 3 pieces connected but not the right order. This may be really bad though, idk. Also what should be the average move count for the first layer?