Corners first or edges first?

[mark49152]

that won't work because you have to do your cycles before flipping the buffer
say your cycle is DF-LF-DR-FU-LB and FR is flipped, you must flip FR at the end (unless you can flip it with other edges outside the buffer). If you do it before the cycles, LF and the buffer will be flipped at the end

No I meant the buffer piece, not the piece in the buffer position. I just used it in a few solves and it works fine. For example, my buffer is DF, and I just had a scramble with UR flipped. The buffer piece (belongs in DF when solved) was in UL. So I did a simple flip on UL/UR at the start of the solve.

I think I saw Jay do this in one of his solves recently, where he flipped all four edges on the R face at the start of the solve. Three were flipped in place, one was the buffer piece.

 

[Daniel Lin]

No I meant the buffer piece, not the piece in the buffer position. I just used it in a few solves and it works fine. For example, my buffer is DF, and I just had a scramble with UR flipped. The buffer piece (belongs in DF when solved) was in UL. So I did a simple flip on UL/UR at the start of the solve.

I think I saw Jay do this in one of his solves recently, where he flipped all four edges on the R face at the start of the solve. Three were flipped in place, one was the buffer piece.

oh yeah I see what you mean. I'm going to try to do that in my solves now.

 

[JanW]

No I meant the buffer piece, not the piece in the buffer position. I just used it in a few solves and it works fine. For example, my buffer is DF, and I just had a scramble with UR flipped. The buffer piece (belongs in DF when solved) was in UL. So I did a simple flip on UL/UR at the start of the solve.

Yeah, this is what I meant when I said flip with buffer piece.

Have to be careful in solves with parity, depending on how you handle parity. With UF as buffer, I swap UF and UR if I have parity. I do it by treating UR edge (green/yellow) as my buffer during memo and buffer piece (red/yellow) as UR edge. So basically solve the red/yellow edge correctly oriented into UR slot immediately when it comes up and start new cycle at green/yellow edge. So the edge that needs flipping is not my actual buffer piece, but the UR edge, which acts as buffer in parity solves. Of course, this is the edge I always flip if there's an odd amount of flipped edges in a parity solve.

 

[mark49152]

@JanW, I don't have the same issue because as an M2/OP solver my buffer piece is DF and I swap UB/UL on parity. I do sometimes screw up when having to flip those pieces that are displaced before or after the parity fix, like UL, UB, DB, UF. Seems another good reason to flip them first if feasible.

 

[Jacck]

Another concept (but only for slowcubing) to avoid solving flipped-innerslice-edges with M2:
If there is another just-flipped-edge, just solve this e.g. as UL LU and the piece in the buffer will be flipped (sorry, I think I really have to learn this few algs now , but it could be useful for a flipped target-edge, so you have only the M2 to do ).

And for memo and exe: in multiblind it is surely better to do memo and exe in the same order.

 

[mark49152]

And for memo and exe: in multiblind it is surely better to do memo and exe in the same order.

Yeah I think for MBLD the same problem of messing up visual memo/recall of flips and twists doesn't exist because it becomes necessary to encode and memo those things with the rest, typically as images. For regular 3BLD that's probably too slow (but not as slow as spending 10 seconds figuring out what you're going to do ).

 

[fp4316]

Gianfranco told me at high levels it doesn't matter since if you're fast enough you are only limited by cube reading. Plus he will change the way he memorizes depending on a few factors.

 

[lucarubik]

did not expect to be in the least popular choice, why do you guys do it that way (exec first what you memo last)? just so you can solve the parity in an easier way

 

[Hazel]

I use visual for edges and audio for corners, so I find that I can't keep the corners memorized for as long (why I solve corners first). In fact, I attempted a 3BLD solve yesterday and I remember my edge visuals perfectly but I have no clue what the corner audio was.

 

[lucarubik]

the way i see it is you are investing more time to make letter pairs just couse you cant hold 10 loops unless you are 200 iq, but you are investing more time to do so, or else you would be using letter pairs for the whole cube, so im asuming people who swap their order memo loops last and solve them first? pretty much your reason but no visual shenanigans

 

[newtonbase]

@lucarubik I memo corners with a strong visual memo then edges with a quick audio memo. The audio memo has to be solved first as it is very short term.

 

[abunickabhi]

I have tried both ways , and it doesn't make a difference , although , you are more driven when you do corner memo first , but thats get compensated by the forgetting percentage in CEEC as compared to ECCE.
At the end of the day , ECCE is very solid , and I DNF very less with it , as the flow is just right enough , but more like in CEEC , or very less as in a OP solve.