[Help Thread] When do I start learning full oll & pll

[Falt]

Hi. I'm relitivly new to speed cubing. I started a few months ago. I'm currently using Fridrich and happy with that. My PB is 25.08 and my average is about 31 seconds. I'm currently using both 2 look OLL & PLL but I dont know if I should stop trying to improve my times with that or to start learning full OLL & PLL.

Also if I was to start learning full OLL & PLL where do I begin and where is a good source of algs to start learning?

Thanks

 

[JTWong71]

Hi. I'm relitivly new to speed cubing. I started a few months ago. I'm currently using Fridrich and happy with that. My PB is 25.08 and my average is about 31 seconds. I'm currently using both 2 look OLL & PLL but I dont know if I should stop trying to improve my times with that or to start learning full OLL & PLL.

Also if I was to start learning full OLL & PLL where do I begin and where is a good source of algs to start learning?

Thanks

The way that I go by is that if I know I am going to learn a subset, better to start it early to get used to it than later, because you know you are going to learn them at some point.

I would say that Cyotheking's website has good algorithms to learn, I would say it is good to start with PLL first, as a couple of them are mixed OLL's, and so those will be slightly familiar.

 

[Falt]

The way that I go by is that if I know I am going to learn a subset, better to start it early to get used to it than later, because you know you are going to learn them at some point.

I would say that Cyotheking's website has good algorithms to learn, I would say it is good to start with PLL first, as a couple of them are mixed OLL's, and so those will be slightly familiar.

Yeah man that's what I thought it's like you have to take a step back in order to move forward.

I'll take a look at that website. And crack on with it.

Cheers

 

[JaredRB9000]

Learn PLL as soon as you can, OLL can wait just a little bit, this is because:
1) PLL is only 21 algs, as opposed to the 57 OLL algs.
2) While OLL algs are shorter and slightly easier to learn, PLL cuts more time off your solve.
3) PLL can be learned in under 2 weeks, while OLL takes over a month.
Don't get me wrong, OLL is definitely helpful and cuts about 2-4 seconds off my solves when I know the case (I know some cases, but I stopped learning them and kinda regret it). Yes, my alg execution is rather slow.
TLDR: While OLL cuts off about 2 seconds, PLL cuts off 4-5, this is cause PLL algs are longer.
TLDR the TLDR: Learn PLL ASAP then learn OLL later.

 

[Falt]

Learn PLL as soon as you can, OLL can wait just a little bit, this is because:
1) PLL is only 21 algs, as opposed to the 57 OLL algs.
2) While OLL algs are shorter and slightly easier to learn, PLL cuts more time off your solve.
3) PLL can be learned in under 2 weeks, while OLL takes over a month.
Don't get me wrong, OLL is definitely helpful and cuts about 2-4 seconds off my solves when I know the case (I know some cases, but I stopped learning them and kinda regret it). Yes, my alg execution is rather slow.
TLDR: While OLL cuts off about 2 seconds, PLL cuts off 4-5, this is cause PLL algs are longer.
TLDR the TLDR: Learn PLL ASAP then learn OLL later.

Where did you learn PLL from? I'm looking around now to find something that suits me. Where do you think is best?

 

[JaredRB9000]

Where did you learn PLL from? I'm looking around now to find something that suits me. Where do you think is best?

I personally used badmephisto's algs, but algdb.net has a few algs for every case for tons of algsets.

 

[turtwig]

I think it's best to not only look at algs from one site, but to try a few algs and decide which you think is best. It can be annoying and tiring to do this, but it's better than switching out of bad algs later.
Some sites with good algs are algdb and speedsolving. You can also search 'OLL' or 'PLL' on Youtube, I know Drew Brads has a great video on PLL.

PLL can be learned in under 2 weeks, while OLL takes over a month.

Really? I think they can be learned much faster. Kevin Hays learned OLL in 3 days.
IMO, if one really wants to improve, they should push themselves and learn alg sets faster rather than learning it slowly over a long period of time.

 

[newtonbase]

Don't be afraid of G perms. They are very similar and account for 2/9 cases I believe. Once you know both A's and U's you could start with them.
Bob Burton's site explains his algs well and Sarah Strong has some good info on 2 sided recognition.

 

[Falt]

I've started using badmephisto. I find his diagrams easier to recognise than some others. If I'm happy with how I'm executing his algs then I'll stick with them otherwise I guess I'll shop around.

 

[Xtremecubing]

I've started using badmephisto. I find his diagrams easier to recognise than some others. If I'm happy with how I'm executing his algs then I'll stick with them otherwise I guess I'll shop around.

Use badmephisto's diagrams, but use Chris Olson's or Drew Brads algs, they're way better.