When to start learning subsets?

[Cubeaddiction]

I average about 13 sec on 3x3. When do you think is a good time to start learning thinks like COLL or ZBLL?

 

[IamSpeedcubing]

Do you know full oll? Well, I would suggest getting to around 10 and then start learning coll, zbll etc.
( P.S. The sune coll's are useless)

 

[TDM]

I would suggest getting to around 10 and then start learning coll, zbll etc.
( P.S. The sune coll's are useless)

I don't think there's any point in waiting. Imo if he's finished OLL he should move straight on to e.g. COLL, VHLS.

 

[IamSpeedcubing]

If he does not know oll, it could get him to around 11 or 10 if he learnt it. I feel like he would only experience a difference after he became sub 10.

 

[Cubeaddiction]

Yes I know full OLL. I might just start learning some easy cases. Thanks

 

[IamSpeedcubing]

Culd I please just have some time stamps of your CFOP steps? Like, in how long you do cross, f2l, oll and pll?

 

[Daniel Lin]

Learn algs/subsets whenever you feel like learning them. You don't have to be fast. I'm learning ZBLL but I only average ~16 secs.
I would suggest starting with COLL, since its useful and its a good base for other algs. Once you know that you can move on to OLLCP or ZBLL.

 

[tx789]

( P.S. The sune coll's are useless)

Nikalas is useful to know. As well as the standard sune.

 

[DGCubes]

I don't think there's any point in waiting. Imo if he's finished OLL he should move straight on to e.g. COLL, VHLS.

Why would he learn EG on 3x3?
Lol, just kidding. I couldn't help myself.

Seriously though: Personally, I'm learning COLL right now, and it's pretty useful during my solves. Another option is to learn some easy cases from a bunch of different subsets, like some common EO/OLL skip algs, and some easy to recognize COLLs and ZBLLs.

 

[jaredye]

I average only about 18 and I plan to learn those later. Right now I'm working on learning another set of OLL and PLL that executes from opposite position (y2) of what I already know. I guess I wouldn't really call these another set of algs. It's just some execution tricks. I don't know how much it helps with my overall time, but I feel I get some good times here and there from knowing these tricks.

So if you still don't know how to execute your algs from a y2 position already, you can try learning some of those.

 

[Daniel Lin]

I average only about 18 and I plan to learn those later. Right now I'm working on learning another set of OLL and PLL that executes from opposite position (y2) of what I already know. I guess I wouldn't really call these another set of algs. It's just some execution tricks. I don't know how much it helps with my overall time, but I feel I get some good times here and there from knowing these tricks.

So if you still don't know how to execute your algs from a y2 position already, you can try learning some of those.

You're talking about algs for different angles. I don't think it's worth learning a ton of these
Except for f sexy f' and F inverse sexy F'
and also the U perms

 

[jaredye]

You're talking about algs for different angles. I don't think it's worth learning a ton of these
Except for f sexy f' and F inverse sexy F'
and also the U perms

If you have to do U2 PLL U2, wouldn't it save a quarter to half of a second if you know how to do it from the opposite angle? I think that's especially true for algs that starts with x/x', like A perm, or algs that ends with F which makes it hard to do AUF afterwards.

 

[Daniel Lin]

If you have to do U2 PLL U2, wouldn't it save a quarter to half of a second if you know how to do it from the opposite angle? I think that's especially true for algs that starts with x/x', like A perm, or algs that ends with F which makes it hard to do AUF afterwards.

For A perms its not really worth it because there's only one good A perm.
I guess you're right, cause sometimes doing F' U2 or F U is slow. But most times its not worth it.
I would recommend this vid for AUFinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsC1k1HQDxg

 

[FJT97]

I think its just about you. Do you have fun learning algs? then learn them. If you don't, you can improve with look ahead and tis too.

 

[stoic]

I don't know any subsets but I do know all of PLL and nearly all of OLL from y2 .
I learned them because I wanted to really, but there are some good ones.
I'm faster at most/all of them than if I had to AUF once or twice. Even for "fast" PLLs: I'd still rather do left-handed T-perm, opposite Y-perm (R' U2 R' F' R2 U' R' F' U' F R U R' F U2 R) or A-perms (y z) F2 R U2 R' U2' F2 L' U2 L U2 (z') and (y z) U2 L' U2 L F2 U2 R U2 R' F2 (z') (x)
Plus you get some nice cases which are U or U' away where you can choose which one to go with based on knowing you won't need a final AUF.

 

[jaredye]

For A perms its not really worth it because there's only one good A perm.
I guess you're right, cause sometimes doing F' U2 or F U is slow. But most times its not worth it.
I would recommend this vid for AUFinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsC1k1HQDxg

I never thought of doing AUF using thumbs after an F move, so that video is pretty enlightening. I tried but it's quite difficult to get the right feel. Guess I'll need to keep trying.

I'm with stoic that if T perm shows up on the left I would do the left-handed version. Many of the y2 PLL are actually just mirrors so they are not hard at all. And for A perms, I don't agree that there's only 1 good alg. For Aa perm with bar in front I do [x’ (L’UL’) D2 (LU’L’) D2 L2], and I do [(l'UR') D2 (RU'R') D2 R2] for bar in back and I think they're pretty much the same.

 

[Saransh Grover]

I never thought of doing AUF using thumbs after an F move, so that video is pretty enlightening. I tried but it's quite difficult to get the right feel. Guess I'll need to keep trying.

I'm with stoic that if T perm shows up on the left I would do the left-handed version. Many of the y2 PLL are actually just mirrors so they are not hard at all. And for A perms, I don't agree that there's only 1 good alg. For Aa perm with bar in front I do [x’ (L’UL’) D2 (LU’L’) D2 L2], and I do [(l'UR') D2 (RU'R') D2 R2] for bar in back and I think they're pretty much the same.

yep. A Perm from with headlights on left is just fat T perm