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Escher
Babby
well. before this i had not had the experience of being fully pochmann-owned.
ouch.
lol, ill change that then
wait - how was i utterly failing in the reply to bamman? i realise that saying 'if we are going to be accurate' was wrong, because i was lying, but the 'discrepancy' between me saying face turn metric and quarter turn metric came in a later post. you only explained/demonstrated the second failing, not the first. unless ive already answered it for myself here...
ouch.
lol, ill change that then
wait - how was i utterly failing in the reply to bamman? i realise that saying 'if we are going to be accurate' was wrong, because i was lying, but the 'discrepancy' between me saying face turn metric and quarter turn metric came in a later post. you only explained/demonstrated the second failing, not the first. unless ive already answered it for myself here...
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Stefan
Legend
That 'discrepancy' was already there, in the numbers you provided. The "utter" stems from you making that mistake while boldly being like "Let's do this the right way, shall we?".
Btw, at first I wasn't sure the EOLine stats were HTM. Can you tell how to tell they are?
Btw, at first I wasn't sure the EOLine stats were HTM. Can you tell how to tell they are?
JohnnyA
Veteran
I don't think one or even two moves between the cross and eoline average will make a significant difference, especially since you can plan the entire step in inspection. What I was thinking was that in many cases, having 10 or 12 edges misoriented makes an easy eoline because often you can use one F or B turn and get rid of four, without having to worry about those 4 edges any more. Sometimes I have had both the F and B layers full of misoriented edges after scrambling and I can get rid of all eight edges with just a slice turn.
Matthew
Regular
EOLine stats are in the HTM
Yes - but cross also has easier and more difficult cases..
I don't think that difference between cross and eoline is significant.. key for this is practise - after one year i average with eoline about 2.5s - in neaxt 'season' i'm going to go with this to around 2s - but IMO it is a down-limit...
Key for almost everything is prety F2L in ~30 moves and quickly recognition in LL case in my opinion..
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JohnnyA
Veteran
Matthew could you post up an average? I want to see really fast ZZ solves ;P and an explanation of basic block building would help us people still using 3gen fridrich.
Escher
Babby
fair enough, i did deserve that.
and no, im not sure. i have an idea but its probably wrong... how can you tell?
Stefan
Legend
Little in execution time, but perhaps more in look-ahead difficulty.
I know. That was not the question.
Btw, I'm interested in the QTM statistic for EOLine. I could imagine this being not much more, since most of the time double turns don't help.
What's that idea?
And a hint: Have a close look at the numbers in the "no. of moves for EOLine" table.
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Escher
Babby
Stefan
Legend
Hmm, interesting. Though not really directly helpful, I think. But I'm curious about this nevertheless...they are all odd numbers?
Have a look at one particular number in that table.
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Escher
Babby
the fact that there is only one 9 move case/one move case?
Exactly.
Hmm, interesting. Though not really directly helpful, I think. But I'm curious about this nevertheless...they are all odd numbers?
Have a look at one particular number in that table.
1:9, the 9 solutions are [ F ], [ B ] and [ D ], where [ X ] denotes X, X' and X2. (Simple enough, because doing R, U and L moves won't flip any edges, nor will it put DF/DB in place.)
If it were in QTM, there'd only be 6 1-move solutions.
That's probably not the answer you're looking for, but it still shows that the figures are in HTM nevertheless
Stefan
Legend
Yes, what blah said is what I meant. Except [noparse][[/noparse]B] instead of (ah, he fixed it by now, but differently than I did).
Now, who can explain the all-odd numbers, and who can show QTM distribution and average for EOLine?
Now, who can explain the all-odd numbers, and who can show QTM distribution and average for EOLine?
Escher
Babby
but it only takes a second to tell whether 8/12 are correct or incorrect...
Stefan
Legend
Oh and I'd also be interested in the distribution and average for "EOLine ignoring LL edge orientations". Has this been considered already? If so, what are the results of it?
I actually wanted to ask you how you un-un-capitalized the B, but I'm staring at the answer right now, so never mind
About your two other questions, do you have the answers yourself? Just wondering :rolleyes:
Not me, I just started ZZ yesterday
Besides, what if you do y/y' and still get 8 or 10 bad edges? I'd just get p***ed and resort to normal Fridrich Edit:
!!! I've just been experimenting with that this afternoon! But I realized something after a few tries: If you start with 0 oriented U edges, you end with that, and that's not nice, unless you know stuff like CLLEF of course :rolleyes:
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Stefan
Legend
Escher
Babby
Not me, I just started ZZ yesterday
that cant really happen... i think.
you are essentially choosing the better of two evils. if you count 8 bad edges, straight away you can do a y or y', and are faced with the 4 good ones you left now being bad.
the way i recognise 8 so quickly is by looking at the yellow/white stickers first - they are easy to see. i know that any white or yellow sticker on a L or R 'slice' is correct, and any white or yellow sticker on the U or D faces is correct. a white or yellow sticker on an F, R, L or B face is bad.
recognition for the 4 E slice edges takes a bit longer, i dont really have a method for that.
Stefan
Legend
You might want to double-check that...
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