irontwig
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How could it possibly take more moves?
How to solve cross on the bottom?
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How could it possibly take more moves?
cincyaviation
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No, you're not. If you tried to do both crosses with the same moves, one would be a lot slower than the other. If i were to make the cross on top, i would use very different moves than when making cross on bottom.
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I used to solve it on the top, but as I started to do the Fridrich, I involuntarily started solving my cross on the left. I think this is because I prefer using my index finger and doing the cross on the left lets me get the pieces on faster than I would having the cross on the top or the bottom. This is because I can perform the U and D moves easily.
Having the cross on the bottom, I find it awkward doing R2 moves or Fs, Bs and etc. Maybe I just don't know how to solve the cross on the bottom efficiently.
Currently, I solve the cross at a tilt so that I'm still solving it on the left, but the tilt downwards lets me see the pieces on the third layer.
Having the cross on the bottom, I find it awkward doing R2 moves or Fs, Bs and etc. Maybe I just don't know how to solve the cross on the bottom efficiently.
Currently, I solve the cross at a tilt so that I'm still solving it on the left, but the tilt downwards lets me see the pieces on the third layer.
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Rpotts
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Do you solve f2l with cross on L or do you rotate after cross?
koreancuber
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let's go ZZ
Really? The only real difference would be U moves would become D moves and vice versa. R moves go to L moves and F to B but a y2 fixes that.
I rotate. Otherwise, I'd be doing awkward moves almost the entire time because although I can still see the top layer for F2L, it takes a longer amount of time. I have enough time to find the first F2L pair when doing the cross but if I keep the cross on the left, I won't be able to find the other F2L pairs quickly in succession as I finish the preceding F2L pair. I'm not fast enough where a small rotate from cross on the left to the bottom would be slower than solving it on the bottom and not rotating at all yet.
I'd assume this would only become time-consuming (in split seconds) in the 15 second range-ish area because the rotate takes small amount of time, especially considering that I already hold the cube at a tilt. This means that when I transition, all I do is move my right hand a bit from R to D and that's the rotation, which is usually done while I'm already solving for an F2L pair.
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if any of you are color neutral from the start, could you tell me how you approached learning the bottom cross? did you guys master one color at a time, or, continued rotating them even as you were learning the bottom cross? moves being reversed is confusing enough, but i wonder if it's harder for people who are doing all color orders.
shadowslice e
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While i am neither CN (in most CFOP orientations at least) nor a CFOPer i am probably not very qualified to answer this question but whenever i do CFOP for the lolz, i find the cross is the easy bit- the worst part for me is OLL because i don't automatically remember which colour I'm orienting to the top so often end up with my default colours (white/yellow) oriented when i should have oriented the blues/reds/greens etc.
CubeWizard23
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Ditto i'm CN on 2x2 and need to make a note of what side im solving otherwise i waste like 2 seconds trying to figure out my OLL. lol
theROUXbiksCube
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Srsly? Similar colors are opposite unless you aren't using Western color scheme... White Yellow Blue Green Red Orange...
PenguinsDontFly
Legend
yeah but thats useless if you forget what colour your face is...
CubeWizard23
Veteran
New sig?
PenguinsDontFly
Legend
yes. it is a new sig, and tis blunk.
to keep this on topic, if u use LBL/Ortega, try predicting the oll case so you dont have to really remember your colour
shadowslice e
Legend
Do some low tps solves so you can see how each of the pieces move in relation to each other. That's how I practise for 222 and 333 for CMLL in Roux.
Also, if you're doing pure OLL then just get good at learning to recognise each of the 7 cases quickly.
question for fast cubers.... during inspection, are you thinking, "here, here, and then there, there." or are you memorizing a new temporary algorithm, like "first F, then L', then D, etc," ?
im at the point where im trying to do the whole cross during inspection, and wanna do it in an effective way.
im at the point where im trying to do the whole cross during inspection, and wanna do it in an effective way.
collppllzbf2lll
Regular
turn off inspection and plan out your whole cross before solving.
i personally don't memorize it like ''F L' D'' or something, i just come up with a solution that my hands just do
shadowslice e
Legend
I'm not particulary fast but I tend to think with the former, probably because I am a predominately visual person so I don't find it too hard to visualise the cube after each turn. This also helps because I can consider where each piece will be without going through "if I do an R turn..." etc (but then, I have never been very good with notation)
