Potential Threat to Top BLD Cubers

[Thompson]

Grind hard stay humble

 

[Berd]

Grind hard stay humble

Let it ring out

 

[JemFish]

So arrogant and cocky guy...

You clearly have no idea how hard it is to be a world class (BLD)cuber.

I say more actions/results and less talk.

I've noticed a trend. A lot of the 'pros' tell little people like me that I "have no idea how hard it is to be a world class cuber." Are you afraid of me or what? You only have the right to tell me to have "more actions/results and less talk" if you watch me every day and see how I'm doing. But no, you don't. Anyway, because of school, I only get about an hour of cubing practice a day, and on weekends I get 3-5 hours. Now instead of picking on me, why don't you, a pro, tell me if that's a good amount of practice or not?

WTF?! What does this even mean? Why would practising piano have different "value" than practising cubing or football or anything else? Of course it is harder to be world class at something that has much more people practising the event (for example at soccer) but still I don't understand how 3 years of practising something = 1 year of practising something else...

I think what JemFish meant in his original post about 3 hours piano practice to 1 hour cubing practice is like saying he thinks that getting good at piano is three times harder than getting good at cubing. Just think of something relatively easy to learn, like doing a somersault (I mean the way kids do it, not flipping in the air). It's simple so it doesn't take 10,000 hours to learn how to do it well.

That's exactly what I meant.

How do you compare being good at piano and being good at cubing or some sport or whatever it is that you decide to practise?
IMO that's impossible.

Also I think doing somersaults is a bad example for comparison. More accurate would on that category be something like doing gymnastics or tricking. Because somersault is just one simple move needed in those sports. Kind of like doing one algorithm quickly in cubing (that would be more comparable to somersaults IMO).
So can you tell me how many cubing hours does one hour of gymnastics practise equal?

Take a look at sneaklyfox's quote. And about gymnastics and somersaults, there's no point in getting too technical, because after all, I'm trying to give an example of the relative difficulty of progress of different skills, not do some calculation of the 'worth' of an hour's practice.

Grind hard stay humble

Yep.

~ JemFish

 

[Rocky0701]

Oh boy are you in for a surprise.



Consider me officially offended. Metal is the most involving form of music around. It requires the most skill, the most rhythm, and the most musical ability in general to be good at it.

I agree, it is my favorite genre.

 

[JemFish]

I agree, it [metal] is my favorite genre.

The lines between pigs squealing and so-called 'music' have been blurred.

 

[Escher]

Consider me officially offended. Metal is the most involving form of music around. It requires the most skill, the most rhythm, and the most musical ability in general to be good at it.

Wtf Dene? You don't get offended, you just get progressively more metal. Also I propose that flatpicking banjo pirate classico-jazz folk requires the most skill, swagger, good looks, and all-round physical prowess.

More seriously, putting 10,000 hours of practise into piano or into 3BLD either way doesn't matter at all unless you get enjoyment from skill acquisition. Your relative position in the pack of people who engage in the same activity is unimportant. At 3bld it is still conceivable that any individual could put in thousands of hours of deliberate practise and shape their entire person around the skill and become the best, at least for a short while. Just because in piano (a several-hundred year-old 'hobby') no one individual can have confidence that they could work multiple thousands of hours and become 'the best', it doesn't detract anything from that effort, nor make it comparable to 3bld in that way.

In this world there are multiple, multivaried and complex factors or ways of being raised and growing and learning before you encounter a skill you want to develop; these can rule you out from being the best any human can possibly be at something. It's far more interesting and exciting to work on being the best YOU can be at something. If you've already got a meta-cognitive framework for practise from piano then all the better.

If you haven't already, you might enjoy reading my sticky on practise, whether you're already comfortable with the content or not (I reckon it could do with a version 2.0 soon).

 

[Ollie]

The lines between pigs squealing and so-called 'music' have been blurred.

blurred liiiiiines ♪

 

[lunchmaster]

So much hate lol

You sound like an awesome guy, good luck with everything! Don't listen to the people who say you can't do it!

 

[SpiderFingers]

Actually, this is the best music you will ever listen to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HilGthRhwP8 (or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srP5twK-9Dw)

 

[JemFish]

Wtf Dene? You don't get offended, you just get progressively more metal. Also I propose that flatpicking banjo pirate classico-jazz folk requires the most skill, swagger, good looks, and all-round physical prowess.

More seriously, putting 10,000 hours of practise into piano or into 3BLD either way doesn't matter at all unless you get enjoyment from skill acquisition. Your relative position in the pack of people who engage in the same activity is unimportant. At 3bld it is still conceivable that any individual could put in thousands of hours of deliberate practise and shape their entire person around the skill and become the best, at least for a short while. Just because in piano (a several-hundred year-old 'hobby') no one individual can have confidence that they could work multiple thousands of hours and become 'the best', it doesn't detract anything from that effort, nor make it comparable to 3bld in that way.

In this world there are multiple, multivaried and complex factors or ways of being raised and growing and learning before you encounter a skill you want to develop; these can rule you out from being the best any human can possibly be at something. It's far more interesting and exciting to work on being the best YOU can be at something. If you've already got a meta-cognitive framework for practise from piano then all the better.

If you haven't already, you might enjoy reading my sticky on practise, whether you're already comfortable with the content or not (I reckon it could do with a version 2.0 soon).

Well said.

 

[ChickenWrap]

The lines between pigs squealing and so-called 'music' have been blurred.

Have you every tried metal singing/screaming?? It requires so much more talent than you would imagine. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it "sounds like pigs squealing."

As I am typing this, I am enjoying blasting some pigs screaming, actually!

 

[JemFish]

Have you every tried metal singing/screaming?? It requires so much more talent than you would imagine. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it "sounds like pigs squealing."

As I am typing this, I am enjoying blasting some pigs screaming, actually!

Yes, I admit that not everyone can squeal like a pig, so I guess metal does require some talent.

 

[sneaklyfox]

Wow, intro thread turns into heated debate. I think the topic needs to be edited to properly reflect the direction of this thread.

Aaaanyway... let's see where you are in 6 months from now.

 

[JemFish]

Wow, intro thread turns into heated debate. I think the topic needs to be edited to properly reflect the direction of this thread.

Aaaanyway... let's see where you are in 6 months from now.

Nah it's OK, and you can check out my update to the thread. This thread can just be the "JemFish Chat Lounge" so feel free to post whatever whenever.

 

[Dene]

Go play any major concerto for strings and tell me that again.

Metal can always one-up you. Add in some ripping electric guitars, some hardcore drumming, and a solid vocalist, and you have yourself there some seriously badass metal.

 

[tseitsei]

I've noticed a trend. A lot of the 'pros' tell little people like me that I "have no idea how hard it is to be a world class cuber." Are you afraid of me or what? You only have the right to tell me to have "more actions/results and less talk" if you watch me every day and see how I'm doing. But no, you don't. Anyway, because of school, I only get about an hour of cubing practice a day, and on weekends I get 3-5 hours. Now instead of picking on me, why don't you, a pro, tell me if that's a good amount of practice or not?

No I don't think (m)any "pro" BLD cubers are afraid of you To me you are just another guy starting to learn BLD, but I think your attitude is s**t. Don't go bragging around and being so sure that you will beat Maskows and Ollies times while currently your 3bld PB is 2:42 according to your sig.

I mean that there is nothing wrong with wanting to be the best but you should be a little less arrogant about that while you have no results to back up the claims that you WILL be able to do it. I really don't like people who try to brag with their skills if they actually don't have those skills they claim to have. It's perfectly okay to be very proud and even brag with your achievements (IMO) if you actually have the skills to back it up, BUT if you open your mouth to brag you better be able to back it up with some results.
In other words I think it should go in this order:
1) results
2) then the words
instead of
1) lots of words
2) maybe some results later

Also I definitely have the right to tell you "More results and less talk" because you are talking about being the best of the best while your 3BLD PB is sup-2min...

As for the practise amounts. I think that highly depends on the individual. I practise 1-3 hour a day when I am actually trying to really improve my times (usually during holidays because I have more time) but now it is more like 0min-45min depending on the day (usually ~25-30min. 3 4BLD solves and 10 3BLD solves) because that seems to be enough to keep my current speed and not getting any slower. Plus I try to do at least 1-2 MBLD attempts/per week. Lately only 1 sadly... But when I actively practised that last time (christmas holidays) I did 5-7 attempts/per week and got some nice progress. So yeah I would say 1h/day during week and more on weekends is quite good

My other tips for practising would be learning comms as soon as possible and doing lots of sighted solves with them also. Learning good words for EVERY letter pair. Don't be afraid to DNF, you should just constantly force yourself to memo faster.

Take a look at sneaklyfox's quote. And about gymnastics and somersaults, there's no point in getting too technical, because after all, I'm trying to give an example of the relative difficulty of progress of different skills, not do some calculation of the 'worth' of an hour's practice.

Well I think that is quite impossible as well. First of all because that greatly varies from person to person. Someone might be good at sports and pick up sports skills much faster than music skills and vice versa. Also Eschers post was good :tu . As he tried to explain it is much more complicated than just saying "Piano is 3 times as hard as cubing".

 

[ryanj92]

Well I think that is quite impossible as well. First of all because that greatly varies from person to person. Someone might be good at sports and pick up sports skills much faster than music skills and vice versa. Also Eschers post was good . As he tried to explain it is much more complicated than just saying "Piano is 3 times as hard as cubing".

I interpret it this way - there are much fewer people fully invested in 3BLD than piano, and therefore breaking the 'world class' barrier is less difficult. As an example, it took me basically 1 year to go from being a total clock noob to being pretty much world class. If I had injected that time into 3x3x3 practise instead, I doubt I would have reached sub-12, never mind sub-9/8, wherever the world class barrier is now... I don't agree with attaching somewhat arbitrary numbers to it (because as you said, people learn different things at different rates), but I think that's the sentiment.

 

[AlphaSheep]

I've been watching this music debate with interest, and it sounds like there's only one person in this thread who has any idea what heavy metal actually is... Which rap or hip hop artist regularly works with a choir and live orchestra? I've never heard of any, yet more than half my favourite metal bands have heavy symphonic influences in their music.

Going to leave some light listening...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDe0cXJc-kw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_nL54jTSgM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJt1rdFZXlY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN3yqMr3ffY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DymceY5CowE

 

[tseitsei]

I interpret it this way - there are much fewer people fully invested in 3BLD than piano, and therefore breaking the 'world class' barrier is less difficult. As an example, it took me basically 1 year to go from being a total clock noob to being pretty much world class. If I had injected that time into 3x3x3 practise instead, I doubt I would have reached sub-12, never mind sub-9/8, wherever the world class barrier is now... I don't agree with attaching somewhat arbitrary numbers to it (because as you said, people learn different things at different rates), but I think that's the sentiment.

Yeah this is probably what he meant. But IMO this "world-class barrier" doesn't mean one hobby/action/event is easier/harder than the other. That just means there are more people who practise the said hobby/action/event seriously. For example football has the most players in the world out of all sports --> It is harder to be a world-class football player than let's say world-class ice hockey player BUT I wouldn't say that it means that football is any "harder" game to learn than ice hockey. It just means that more people have learned to play football well than ice hockey.

 

[JemFish]

No I don't think (m)any "pro" BLD cubers are afraid of you To me you are just another guy starting to learn BLD, but I think your attitude is s**t. Don't go bragging around and being so sure that you will beat Maskows and Ollies times while currently your 3bld PB is 2:42 according to your sig.

I mean that there is nothing wrong with wanting to be the best but you should be a little less arrogant about that while you have no results to back up the claims that you WILL be able to do it. I really don't like people who try to brag with their skills if they actually don't have those skills they claim to have. It's perfectly okay to be very proud and even brag with your achievements (IMO) if you actually have the skills to back it up, BUT if you open your mouth to brag you better be able to back it up with some results.
In other words I think it should go in this order:
1) results
2) then the words
instead of
1) lots of words
2) maybe some results later

Also I definitely have the right to tell you "More results and less talk" because you are talking about being the best of the best while your 3BLD PB is sup-2min...

As for the practise amounts. I think that highly depends on the individual. I practise 1-3 hour a day when I am actually trying to really improve my times (usually during holidays because I have more time) but now it is more like 0min-45min depending on the day (usually ~25-30min. 3 4BLD solves and 10 3BLD solves) because that seems to be enough to keep my current speed and not getting any slower. Plus I try to do at least 1-2 MBLD attempts/per week. Lately only 1 sadly... But when I actively practised that last time (christmas holidays) I did 5-7 attempts/per week and got some nice progress. So yeah I would say 1h/day during week and more on weekends is quite good

My other tips for practising would be learning comms as soon as possible and doing lots of sighted solves with them also. Learning good words for EVERY letter pair. Don't be afraid to DNF, you should just constantly force yourself to memo faster.

Wow, thanks tseitsei! I read it word-for-word and it was definitely worth it. Hmm...'confidence,' to me, looks like 'bragging,' to others. I would like to continue to argue, but I'll just shut up because I've learnt an important lesson: everyone uses different dictionaries! (Check this out.) And thanks for the tips - I really need to hammer my letter pairs right now.

P.S. Since you've stepped down from your throne to help me, that gives me a reason to make this post nice and humble. Let's just say our argument ends here. (Wait...was that bragging? Hmm...)

I've been watching this music debate with interest, and it sounds like there's only one person in this thread who has any idea what heavy metal actually is...

I wouldn't want to know, anyway.