"Headlights" algorithm unnessasary? (2-Look OLL Fridrich)

[Deleted member 2864]

Well I'm learning the 2 looks for the last layer. THe last OLL algorithm I must learn is when you have the "Headlights." It is: R2 D R' U2 R D' R' U2 R'. I find it unnessasary because I find it so hard to memorise for some reason and that it has the same number of moves required to do R' D R D' (I don't do R' D' R D' I do it that way because I find it less awkward. I rock at finger-ticks on that algorithm. Does memorising a new algorithm have any uses if I can excecute it in about the same amount of time without knowing it?

P.S. I'm new here! =)

EDIT: Nevermind guys!! I learned it!
I use the following algorithm: l2 U' R D2 R' U R D2 R with the headlights facing away

 

[ConnorCuber]

I'm sorry, but what on earth did that say?

 

[fanwuq]

This is a commutator, it should actually be very easy to understand and even figure out yourself. Go to solvethecube.co.uk. Joel Noort executes this alg with the most amazing fingertricks.

 

[Sa967St]

this is an awesome alg for that case (credit to Lance Talyor)
R U R' U' (R U' R' U2)*2 R U R'

 

[fanwuq]

this is an awesome alg for that case (credit to Lance Talyor)
R U R' U' (R U' R' U2)*2 R U R'

haha. If I were him, I'd be ashamed of that credit. It's a stupid alg. Better ones:
front sune + back reflected sune = 13 moves.
RUR'U'RU2R2U'RU'R'U2R

or, left antisune, right anti sune = 14 moves.

But the one mentioned already is seriously the best.

http://solvethecube.110mb.com/fingertricks.html
find the alg on that page and watch him. After that, you'll love this alg.

 

[PeterV]

this is an awesome alg for that case (credit to Lance Talyor)
R U R' U' (R U' R' U2)*2 R U R'

I've seen that alg. before and it seems like a nice 2-gen, but I prefer R2 D' R U2 R' D R U2 R (almost the same as aznmortalx's alg. ,but I find this one a bit faster for me).

@ aznmortalx: To answer your question: you should do whatever works best for you. Different people are comfortable with different algorithms. That being said, with a bit of practice, maybe you can execute the new algorithm better. And as for memorizing, that will come with time. As with any new algorithm, just continue to execute it until it works its way into your muscle memory.

 

[not_kevin]

Indeed; I can't do R2 D' R U2 R' D R U2 R very quickly due to my fingertricks; I can, however, do R2 D R' U2' R D' R' U2' R' pretty fast. And sune-antisune is pretty fast, too, 'tho R2 D R' U2' R D' R' U2' R' is still faster.

 

[AvGalen]

... but I prefer R2 D' R U2 R' D R U2 R (almost the same as aznmortalx's alg. ,but I find this one a bit faster for me).

I agree about this alg being the best, especially when you do the D with your left hand, making it almost feel 2-gen

 

[Ellis]

its fine if you stick with whatever's faster, but I do think the original algorithm would be faster with practice. That was the hardest two look oll alg for me when I was learning, I realized it was nearly exactly the same as my a-perm. I dont know how you do your a-perm but I use: x' R' (D R' U2 R D' R' U2) R2 -the part in parenthesis is exactly the same as the headlights algorithm you listed. The only real difference is theres no x' and R' and R2 are switched.

these are both really fast algorithms if you can get the proper finger movements going. I personally suggest you practice the alg and try to figure out some finger tricks for it. If you get good at it, but still feel more comfortable doing it your original way, then just switch back.

 

[Lucas Garron]

It has nine moves, the amount of moves it would take to just do R' D' R D on them (turning the U layer after permuting included).

Either you can't count, or you can do magic things. The best comm I can find like that is 13 (based on R' D R F D F').

this is an awesome alg for that case (credit to Lance Talyor)
R U R' U' (R U' R' U2)*2 R U R'

haha. If I were him, I'd be ashamed of that credit. It's a stupid alg.

I disagree. I really don't like RUR'U'RU2R2U'RU'R'U2R, or the standard alg either. I use R U' L U' R' U L' U2 R U' R'.
Also try R' F2 R U2 R U2 R' F2 R U2 R'.

EDIT: Also, Ummon once showed me L l U R' D2 R U' R' D2 L' x.

 

[PeterV]

... but I prefer R2 D' R U2 R' D R U2 R (almost the same as aznmortalx's alg. ,but I find this one a bit faster for me).

I agree about this alg being the best, especially when you do the D with your left hand, making it almost feel 2-gen

That's exactly how I execute the D, with my left ring finger. It almost feels like the R U R' U' finger trick, but on the bottom layer.

 

[fanwuq]

It has nine moves, the amount of moves it would take to just do R' D' R D on them (turning the U layer after permuting included).

Either you can't count, or you can do magic things. The best comm I can find like that is 13 (based on R' D R F D F').

this is an awesome alg for that case (credit to Lance Talyor)
R U R' U' (R U' R' U2)*2 R U R'

haha. If I were him, I'd be ashamed of that credit. It's a stupid alg.

I disagree. I really don't like RUR'U'RU2R2U'RU'R'U2R, or the standard alg either. I use R U' L U' R' U L' U2 R U' R'.
Also try R' F2 R U2 R U2 R' F2 R U2 R'.

EDIT: Also, Ummon once showed me L l U R' D2 R U' R' D2 L' x.

Your 2nd alg is nice. The first one is pretty good too, reminds me of J perm. I still don't see the point of Lance Talyor's alg. It's only 1 move less than R'D'RD alg (with cancellation of D). What don't you like about the standard two algs?

 

[toast]

l2 U' R D2 R' U R D2 R x2 is better
even better if you cube rotation while doing the alg.

 

[Lucas Garron]

I still don't see the point of Lance Talyor's alg. It's only 1 move less than R'D'RD alg (with cancellation of D). What don't you like about the standard two algs?

Regrips.

I find the regrips on the standard algs ugly, I like the regrips on Lance's a lot more (and I suppose he does, too). I just might switch.

 

[edwardtimliu]

i think if you can execute it faster you should definetely use it
i use R' U2 R F U' R' U' R U F' (headlights on the back)

 

[MTGjumper]

I actually use l2 U' R D2 R' U R D2 R x2 too (well, I do R x2 as l x') although it's probably my least favourite OLL.

I like Lucas' R U' L U' R' U L' U2 R U' R' because it's like my J perm. Maybe I should switch to that. His second alg has two many double turns and my double triggers need improving.

 

[Claesson]

R2 D' R U2 R' D R U2 R

I do U2' in the end instead, and R2' in the start. Btw, the "R' D R" part feels so good to do

 

[Sa967St]

It has nine moves, the amount of moves it would take to just do R' D' R D on them (turning the U layer after permuting included).

Either you can't count, or you can do magic things. The best comm I can find like that is 13 (based on R' D R F D F').

this is an awesome alg for that case (credit to Lance Talyor)
R U R' U' (R U' R' U2)*2 R U R'

haha. If I were him, I'd be ashamed of that credit. It's a stupid alg.

I disagree. I really don't like RUR'U'RU2R2U'RU'R'U2R, or the standard alg either. I use R U' L U' R' U L' U2 R U' R'.
Also try R' F2 R U2 R U2 R' F2 R U2 R'.

EDIT: Also, Ummon once showed me L l U R' D2 R U' R' D2 L' x.

Your 2nd alg is nice. The first one is pretty good too, reminds me of J perm. I still don't see the point of Lance Talyor's alg. It's only 1 move less than R'D'RD alg (with cancellation of D). What don't you like about the standard two algs?

I usually use R' F2 R U2 R U2 R' F2 R U2 R', but that one takes a while to get used to

R U R' U' (R U' R' U2)*2 R U R' is nice for OH and even nicer on a siamese cube, and its easy to remember

 

[Derrick Eide17]

It's a lot of moves.
but I Really like, F2 (Y perm) then Undo F2
credit to Jai Gambhir

 

[Lucas Garron]

It's a lot of moves.
but I Really like, F2 (Y perm) then Undo F2
credit to Jai Gambhir

F2 R U' R' U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R F2 ?
How about R U R' U' R' F2 R2 U' R' U' R U R' F2?