US Nationals and Open 2009

Tyson

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Hi Everyone,

On the way back from the Drexel competition, I got some ideas about US Nationals 2009. Generally, when I get an idea, my mind becomes pretty active, which is different from its normal inactive hibernation state. Those at Drexel probably know this as I kept talking about this interest rate idea, where... as a young 24-year old, I'm not looking to purchase a house in the next 2 years, but I will probably want to purchase one in 5 to 10 years time. If the interest rates are sufficiently low, I was thinking you could take out a loan, put it in a money market account, and basically pay the difference in interest for that period of time until you needed the money. I was told that I would not have collateral for the loan, but because the money is not being used, it would theoretically be risk averse enough that I could convince my parents to let me use their house as collateral and... yeah. It sounded like a great idea for the better half of Saturday. Anyway...

I am thinking of Stanford University for US Nationals and Open 2009. Stanford University is in California, about 25 miles south of San Francisco, and accessible by public transportation from San Francisco International airport. 2006 was San Francisco, 2007 was in Chicago, and 2008 was in Atlanta so I feel it's time that we return it back to the west coast.

The Stanford area is home to many cubers that would be able to lend their support to the competition. This would definitely make running the competition easier, and we would probably be able to coordinate some type of airport pick-up as well.

There is also a summer program at Stanford which we may be able to leverage for resources as Leyan and I have done work for them in the past, and I think they would be keen on assisting us this summer.

The main question right now is that given the flexibility of such a competition, because it is near the home of so many cubers, we should have a good pick in terms of which weekend to hold it. My thoughts were as follows:

Friday - preliminary rounds
Saturday - preliminary rounds
Sunday - final round

Downtown Palo Alto is also within walking distance of Stanford and has a nice array of restaurants. I can do some research as well and find a close hotel.

I am very familiar with the area that Stanford University is in and I can promise, it is very nice, unlike the crap that was the Underground Atlanta.

I will be bringing this idea up with the director of the summer program, but it would be nice if people could give ideas of dates. Here's what's good to suggest and what's not.

Good idea: The first weekend of August would be good because most colleges start at the third week of August and people should be home from vacations at that time.

Bad idea: Plz hold it on teh 25th becuz i is freez!

Also given the number of cubers in the area, if you do some coaxing, you should be able to convince some cubers to let you stay at their homes, which should reduce the needs for the hotel. Nonetheless, we would still probably find a hotel for the competition as these things end up being large gatherings in the hotel lobby anyway.

One thing I would like to try and do for this competition that would be different than other competitions is to try and coordinate some group activities for everyone. After all, these competitions are really one of the few national gatherings, and it's quite nice to see everyone.

Some ideas include a bbq, a cube-style treasure hunt around campus and ending up at a restaurant for dinner, or laser tag (everyone vs Stefan Pochmann since he's so elite and can probably bend space-time with his mind).

For competitors traveling from outside of the United States, we could probably also arrange to take you around the San Francisco Bay Area. Again, since Stanford University is an area that I have many ties to, there are significantly more resources for me to leverage. The Monday and/or Tuesday and subsequent days could be used for people visiting from Europe, Asia, and Antarctica (penguin speedsolve division) to see the city of San Francisco, go wine tasting in Napa with Swedes, poke the Facebook head quarters, or whatever.

Anyway, these were some ideas that I have initially. The main thing is to figure out when a good date is. OR... the other thing is to suggest a better place to hold the competition. And again, if you say "Hold it in my back yard because then I don't have to travel," I will pay someone to kick you. (Probably the sum of 1 USD... which is actually WORTH something now. Haha... suckers who use the Euro. :-P)

P.S. The jab at the Euro I'm sure will be short lived. Only a few months ago, it was the other way around.
 
Sounds good to me. In 2007 in Chicago, the competition was in mid-June, and I thought that time worked out quite well. The first weekend in August, meaning the 1st and 2nd? If I have any input, I'd suggest the weekend before that or two. I would be moving in August (my lease ends), and therefore would not be able to make it. I'm not sure how many people have leases that start in August.
 
My suggestion is just to not do it in June. In New York it is impossible to take a regents test (state subject tests) on a date other than the one given, so if I had a regents on that Friday it would be impossible for me to go. With this post I am referring to the date of the US Open 2007. Although I would not have gone to that anyway, if that had been a three day event it would have conflicted with a regents, if I recall correctly.
 
Personally, I am considering being a JC for Mathcamp, or an RA/whatnot for a Stanford camp (which probably end up being EPGY, because I think I'd have to do that before SUMaC).
In case I'd end up at Mathcamp, I'd prefer it before July 5. I'm not sure about other people, but I think quite a few high school cubers would have camps beginning around that time (which they'd have to fly from - like I did this summer, at considerable extra cost).

Nevertheless, if it's held at Stanford I'd make sure to be there, if it's possible for me at all. :cool:
 
sometime mid-july to early august. This gives most people enough time to get back the speed they lost during school/finals and such, and it is not so late that people are leaving for school.

edit: just read what lucas posted I remembered that I too have camps later in the summer. so yeah late june-ish might actually be a better time, since I am sure that we are not the only ones with plans later in the summer.
 
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I think that June or mid/late August would be preferable. Mid-July (referring to the US Nationals and Open 2008) is probably not a great time for many people, since it's right in the middle of summer break and would thus interfere with various summer programs, vacations, etc.
 
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Stanford sounds fair and reasonable. I think that likely any time you pick between june and mid august would be equally attended. obviously there would be issues for everyone but the best way to get people there is to decide as soon as possible, of course.

i've never been to the san francisco bay area and i'd be happy to go!
 
Plz hlod it b4 teh 12nd of Jnue, coz ill B in teh US den!

Hi Dene,

When will you be in the United States again? Where will you be, and what are you here for?

I feel that before June 12 would be really early. Many high schools don't get out until the middle of June, and some colleges don't get out until the middle of June as well. One school in particular, is Caltech.

On the other hand, please let us know your plans for visiting the United States. There will be competitions somewhere near you I'm sure, and if not, we can always force someone to run one.
 
Tyson, I don't want to feel like I'm speaking for Dene, but I think I know his situation. He's coming here to study abroad at UCLA next semester. Not sure how long he'll be here for, but obviously the entire semester.
 
I'd suggest early August. If you're going to have qualification limits again, having it later in the summer will give people more opportunities to qualify for events.
 
I think its a good idea. its a good time. (its 5 minutes from my house :)) and also its in a good, safe area. Atlanta was really bad, Chicago i cant tell but it probably was bad.
 
Vault312: You so sure about that?

Tyson: Don't worry about me getting to a competition, I was only joking, I just really wanted to make a post that resembled your "bad idea", just to be the one to do it :) .
My situation is: UCLA for the semester, back home on the 13th of June (It'll be the 14th, maybe 15th when I'm back in NZ. I'm going to lose a day of my life!) I'm 100% sure that I will make it to a competition at some stage during the period. In fact, US nationals would hardly be worth the effort, since I probably wouldn't qualify for anything (except maybe 5x5/6x6/7x7).
 
I think having it in California is a great idea. I've only been there once but it was beautiful, and I'd love to take another trip there. Unfortunately if it is anytime in August I won't be able to make it because of drum camp/band camp. My suggestion would be to have it sometime in late June. Everyone is out of school then and shouldn't interfere with too many vacations.
 
I think its a good idea. its a good time. (its 5 minutes from my house :)) and also its in a good, safe area. Atlanta was really bad, Chicago i cant tell but it probably was bad.


Chicago was a great Venue.
I second that. Chicago was WAYY better than Atlanta, it was very nice, right next to Millennium Park.

I agree with Jason about late June would be a good time, but I don't think it'd be that terrible to have it July or August.

btw, is there a Decadial Park at Stanford? :)
 
I've never been to California but I would like to go. The only problem would be getting there but of course I would be willing to save up to make the trip.

I'm not picky at all about when it is held as long it is after the 2008-2009 school year and before the 2009-2010 year (which I think is what most people are agreeing on). So, judging by other opinions I have read and a little bit of my own, I think sometime in July would be great.
 
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