Your least favourite PLL alg?

[VooX]

So I was just curious, which is your least favourite PLL move to execute?

Personally mine has to be N (either the A or B variation, no preference).

So how about you?

Which PLL perm is your least favourite alg?


PS- you can find letter notation for PLL moves (ie. N, G, U, etc.) here on this posting:
http://www.speedsolving.com/showthread.php?t=708

 

[Lotsofsloths]

19 and 20 according to this chart:
http://cubewhiz.com/pllprint.html

 

[VooX]

19 and 20 according to this chart:
http://cubewhiz.com/pllprint.html

yup those are those pesky N-perms.

 

[KConny]

N is probably my slowest. But since I'm turing like hell every second they feel pretty good. But like V and R a is nasty because I stop turning to rotate the cube.

 

[Lucas Garron]

Bert/Z (either long or slow, depending on the alg)
F (bad)
E (slow)
V (bad and slow)
N (some good algs out there, but still slow)

 

[pjk]

I originally thought N's were the worse, but I have some awesome algs for them now, and both are around 2 seconds.

My worst now is probably the R perm A.

 

[Karthik]

My E perm is really bad.
Any good suggestions?

 

[VooX]

I originally thought N's were the worse, but I have some awesome algs for them now, and both are around 2 seconds.

My worst now is probably the R perm A.

PJK, what algs are you using?

I'm using:
N-a: R' U R' D R'2 U' R U D' R' D R'2 U' R D'

N-b: L' U R' (z) R2 U R' U (z') R U R' (z) R2 U R' (z') R U'

My E perm is really bad.
Any good suggestions?

Good idea karthikputhraya, maybe people could post suggestions for algs a lot of people have trouble with.

 

[Karthik]

Good idea karthikputhraya, maybe people could post suggestions for algs a lot of people have trouble with.

Though there is a pretty neat thread for PLLs algs, I don't find any of the E perms posted there suitable.You can check out the N perms there.May be you will find some alg suitalble you there.

 

[VooX]

Good idea karthikputhraya, maybe people could post suggestions for algs a lot of people have trouble with.

Though there is a pretty neat thread for PLLs algs, I don't find any of the E perms posted there suitable.You can check out the N perms there.May be you will find some alg suitalble you there.

I don't want to replace that PLL thread!

Maybe if people requested/provided the most troublesome this would be a more concise thread than the every PLL move possible thread.

The N algs I have provided I have only seen in 1 place (as of a month or so ago), and one of them was mistyped (forgive me if I missed a more recent posting of this alg on these forums). This is the method Nakaji used in his PLL attack video.

 

[TheBB]

The N algs I have provided I have only seen in 1 place (as of a month or so ago), and one of them was mistyped (forgive me if I missed a more recent posting of this alg on these forums). This is the method Nakaji used in his PLL attack video.

I use the same ones, just backwards. All the turning is done exclusively with the right hand. They feel quite smooth, but I could definitely be faster.

Up until recently V was my slowest... but I've got a good alg for it now.

Right now E is my nemesis.

 

[pjk]

PJK, what algs are you using?

I'm using:
N-a: R' U R' D R'2 U' R U D' R' D R'2 U' R D'

N-b: L' U R' (z) R2 U R' U (z') R U R' (z) R2 U R' (z') R U'

I am using these:
R' U R U' R' F' U' F R U R' F R' F' R U' R

And:
R U' L d2 L' U L R' U' R U2 L' U R U'

 

[VooX]

Up until recently V was my slowest... but I've got a good alg for it now.

Right now E is my nemesis.

I am not a fan of V either. What is the good alg you've found?

I have a decent one for E. It may help you, and of course I am open to recommendations as well.

E: (x) U R' U' L U R U' r' F R F' r U R' U' r'

I think either Harris or Nakaji uses it in a PLL attack video, they can do it much faster than I can!

PJK, what [N] algs are you using?

I am using these:
R' U R U' R' F' U' F R U R' F R' F' R U' R

And:
R U' L d2 L' U L R' U' R U2 L' U R' U'

I really like those. Especially N-b.

I think you're N-a has a typo. The last R should be R' not R. I corrected and put it in bold in my quote of your post.

Thanks, these are even easier than the ones I was doing.

 

[TheBB]

I am not a fan of V either. What is the good alg you've found?

I have a decent one for E. It may help you, and of course I am open to recommendations as well.

E: (x) U R' U' L U R U' r' F R F' r U R' U' r'.

I use the "standard" one, which I've done all along, of course, but in a new way which requires only one regrip instead of two. It goes like this.

(R' U R' U' f') y (F R') (F' R2 U' R' U R U)

That last sequence is really fast. The cube rotation can be partially merged with the moves right before. A lot of people include another cube rotation so they can do F R' as U R', but I don't think the gain is enough...

If the F R' is awkward, an alternative is (R' U R' U' f' R) y (R' F' R2 U' R' U R U), but in my experience, the cube locks up very often trying that f' R combo.

Another alg which I tried involves no cube rotation, and can be done with LL on the right, executed only with the right hand (like I do N and J perms):

(U R' D' R U' R' U) (R' D R U') (R2 D' R2' D)

There are finger tricks to do the initial 7 moves together but I found them to be quite awkward, so I ditched the alg. The last two bracketed groups can be done really quick and they feel sweet.

That E looks good. Will try it out!

 

[FU]

R-Perm (b), I use 2 algorithms depending on the situation
1) R U2 R' U2 R B' R' U' R U l U R2 F
2) y2 L U2 L' U2 L F' L' U' L U L F L2 U


A-Perm (a)
L' B L' F2 L B' L' F2 L2

My cube always locks up when I do the first 2 moves quick. I have no such problems in the A-Perm (b) algorithm I use though, which is just a mirror of this.


E-Perm (x) U R' U' L U R U' r2 U' R U L U' R' U'

Not too bad, except the r2 in the middle, always slows me down. I don't fancy double layer turns.


V-Perm
R' U R' U' x2 y' R' U R' U' l R U' R' U R U

I can't perform rotations well. Usually a pause time of half a second.


4 G-Perms

Rotations and double layer turns.


Thinking of it I have 8/21 PLLs performed very poorly, I should have them changed soon.

 

[Todd]

I use R' U R' U' x2 y' R' U R' U' l R U' R' U R U for V as well....

E is my worst, the one i learnt at the moment is really slow and the one i want to learn just wont stick

My N's suck too.

 

[ExoCorsair]

G permutations, E permutation. All from speedcubing.com.

N's are pretty bad too, but I can usually sub-3 them.

 

[Johannes91]

F .

 

[TheBB]

F .

F is one of my favorites. What alg are you using?

 

[Johannes91]

F .

F is one of my favorites. What alg are you using?

z R' U' R U R' U2 x' U' R' U R y' R U R' U' R2
or it's mirror,
z R U R' U' R U2 y' x' R U R' U' x' U' R' U R U2

I do like them, but it's still probably my least favourite (especially for OH).