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Zain_A24 said:
I dont understand this hate towards Cubing Encoded. If people don't like Kevin's content, then they're more than welcome to not watch it, and given the alternation of upper and lower case I'm assuming you're being sarcastic?
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Not watching Cubing Encoded's content doesn't make it any better so that sentence is nonsense. I don't watch Cubing Encoded and I don't like his content at all and I think that is completely justified.
 
TNL Cubing said:
In what way? Isn't this the same format as his unboxings he's been doing for years... This seems to me like an actually interesting video with a cube that is really unique?
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Definitely agree. Just because the cube isnt as high-demand doesn't make the video bad. Also he hasn't changed anything in order to make this video. The problem with broader channels is that people wont like every video, which is why content from that Tom guy.. TL...TLN Cubing is great because he is at the top of his niche. What do you think.
 
Okay this response was very overdue but here it is.

I've been watching this thread very closely since it was made and I've gathered a few important pointers that I think are definitely worth sharing. I will also share my thoughts on my top picks and will allow for anyone to counter anything I say in this message (that is what an argument/debate thread is for)

Lets talk about the name of the thread. Started off as a Debate and became an Argument thread. Very odd if you ask me, almost as if the creator got fed up of listening and making counter debates to people's points and decided it will become a platform to project their opinions of a certain YouCuber without listening and accepting the opinions of others.

This is an argument thread. Everyone is right and at the same time everyone is wrong, since judging YouCubers is heavily subjective. Fortunately this makes for good debates, since everyone will have varied opinions.

I compiled a quick report highlighting the main suspect of the thread in true Speed Cube Critic fashion:

General Info
Name - @hexacuber
Stats:
Eye Roll Rankings - #1
Meh Rankings - #1
Unpopular Opinion Ranking - #1

Hates:
- Hates JPerm
- Hates Cubing Encoded
- Hates SpeedCubeShop's Reviews
- Hates popular opinions

Likes:
- Likes CubeMaster
- Didn't see much else

Overall a very impressive set of credentials if you ask me.

Hates Popular Opinions
I've noticed that you don't like popular opinions, evident when you claim you want "variety" in the thread, whilst ultimately bashing down this variety and shaping this into an anti-JPerm anti-Cubing Encoded thread.

Given the person making this thread not only consistently posts toxic opinions about fellow content creators in this tight-knit community, but also promotes these opinions and disrespects anyone that doesn't share this opinion. It's fine to not like someone, but to change their name to alternating caps in a poll (ie. Cubing Encoded) as if to mock them/promote your hatred towards them is simply childish and was not the initial purpose of this thread (that was merely one of the many examples, I'm happy to list more)

If you want to have a true argument in this thread, I would recommend giving reasons for the points you make and listen to those that share the opposite opinion to you and have reasonable discussion. Blatantly promoting hateful and unpopular opinions without any reasonable feedback as if to evoke some form of emotion in the thread is not the right thing to do. You are welcome to your opinion and if other people don't like it then listen to why this is the case.

Also, before you say something along the lines of "This is my thread and I decide etc etc etc" please consider that this thread is a community contribution and thus is owned by the community (cringy but true) so I am preparing for that argument in advance.

That's enough on hexacuber. There is plenty more that I had to say but wanted to avoid this becoming a hexacuber hate message so if he has anything to say then I am happy to talk further in a reasonable manner.

Hot Topics
- Cubing Encoded Quality
- JPerm's popularity
- CSH and his style of video
- I'll edit more in here (probably)

Cubing Encoded
Starting off with the most popular topic of the thread and that is Cubing Encoded. I personally am not a fan of the type of content he produces although there are over 100K people that are which is great. Cubing Encoded is what is known as a "variety" channel, where he makes content of a bunch of types and has built a general audience which likely only watch the videos of their interest (whether it be skits, reactions etc)

I agree in the sense that you don't know what to expect with his videos, and that can be a good thing. Kevin is clearly a very hard-working individual and his success is definitely well-deserved. Despite myself not being into the kind of content he creates (entertainment), I still show my appreciation towards his effort put into the channel by liking his videos every now and then and sometimes leaving a comment to show my support. He has been through a very difficult time as have many of us, and despite his financial difficulties, he still is a charitable individual with his line of merch, which I find extremely inspiring and really shows his personality. To say he "deserves negative points" or "is the worst" is definitely over the top.

JPerm and "Simps"
Okay first of all, "simp" is definitely the wrong word. If people all liked someone popular, are they now deemed simps? This is the biggest argument that is preventing this thread from becoming a truly open debate/argument thread. By dismissing popular opinions (ie. JPerm is good) only as a means to support your personal claims (ie. JPerm is overrated) is not the way to go.

So my opinions. Is JPerm overrated? Of course not! How can a content creator be "overrated"? Dylan's subscriber counts shows the number of people that are interested in his content and thus he is neither under or overrated. I once again go back to the "popular opinions" argument I made. An argument is not an argument if the person making the arguments is simply denying the fact that a popular opinion exists and is true in most cases.

There are hundreds of thousands of people that like his content and if that makes them simps then count me in #JPermSimpClub.

Oh, and people seem to be making arguments that JPerm is overshadowing other good content creators. This is obviously not the case and it is not as if JPerm is creating some sort of monopoly within the content creation space. He is simply doing what he does best and what people want to see and he now has the admiration of cubers from entry-level to world-class. He is not taking away from anyone, he is adding to the community valuable insight and knowledge.

Also, his recent unboxings are the same as they have always been, the claim for the MKBHD and Crystal 3x3 being a lower quality is probably based off the products being of lower demand and not his actual video quality.

These are the main two points I wanted to talk about (Cubing Encoded and JPerm) and if I keep talking this post will get way too long.

What do you guys think? If you disagree with anything I said, feel free to comment below and quote me on specific things and I will try to respond, or you can use the super mature method of eye-rolling this post without giving any counter arguments. Entirely up to you.


Overall
- Most hateful/counter productive claims coming from creator of thread
- Community-owned thread, everyone entitled to opinion and no one deserves an "eye roll"
- Creator using thread as a way of promoting his hatred to JPerm and Cubing Encoded specifically

My Opinions
- Don't watch Cubing Encoded but admire his determination
- JPerm viewers are not "simps"

Coming Soon:
My top picks (I didn't want this message to be too long)
Zain
 
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Zain_A24 said:
Okay this response was very overdue but here it is.

I've been watching this thread very closely since it was made and I've gathered a few important pointers that I think are definitely worth sharing. I will also share my thoughts on my top picks and will allow for anyone to counter anything I say in this message (that is what an argument/debate thread is for)

Lets talk about the name of the thread. Started off as a Debate and became an Argument thread. Very odd if you ask me, almost as if the creator got fed up of listening and making counter debates to people's points and decided it will become a platform to project their opinions of a certain YouCuber without listening and accepting the opinions of others.

This is an argument thread. Everyone is right and at the same time everyone is wrong, since judging YouCubers is heavily subjective. Fortunately this makes for good debates, since everyone will have varied opinions.

I compiled a quick report highlighting the main suspect of the thread in true Speed Cube Critic fashion:

General Info
Name - Hexacuber
Stats:
Eye Roll Rankings - #1
Meh Rankings - #1
Unpopular Opinion Ranking - #1

Hates:
- Hates JPerm
- Hates Cubing Encoded
- Hates SpeedCubeShop's Reviews
- Hates popular opinions

Likes:
- Likes CubeMaster
- Didn't see much else

Overall a very impressive set of credentials if you ask me.

Hates Popular Opinions
I've noticed that you don't like popular opinions, evident when you claim you want "variety" in the thread, whilst ultimately bashing down this variety and shaping this into an anti-JPerm anti-Cubing Encoded thread.

Given the person making this thread not only consistently posts toxic opinions about fellow content creators in this tight-knit community, but also promotes these opinions and disrespects anyone that doesn't share this opinion. It's fine to not like someone, but to change their name to alternating caps in a poll (ie. Cubing Encoded) as if to mock them/promote your hatred towards them is simply childish and was not the initial purpose of this thread (that was merely one of the many examples, I'm happy to list more)

If you want to have a true argument in this thread, I would recommend giving reasons for the points you make and listen to those that share the opposite opinion to you and have reasonable discussion. Blatantly promoting hateful and unpopular opinions without any reasonable feedback as if to evoke some form of emotion in the thread is not the right thing to do. You are welcome to your opinion and if other people don't like it then listen to why this is the case.

Also, before you say something along the lines of "This is my thread and I decide etc etc etc" please consider that this thread is a community contribution and thus is owned by the community (cringy but true) so I am preparing for that argument in advance.

That's enough on hexacuber. There is plenty more that I had to say but wanted to avoid this becoming a hexacuber hate message so if he has anything to say then I am happy to talk further in a reasonable manner.

Hot Topics
- Cubing Encoded Quality
- JPerm's popularity
- CSH and his style of video
- I'll edit more in here (probably)

Cubing Encoded
Starting off with the most popular topic of the thread and that is Cubing Encoded. I personally am not a fan of the type of content he produces although there are over 100K people that are which is great. Cubing Encoded is what is known as a "variety" channel, where he makes content of a bunch of types and has built a general audience which likely only watch the videos of their interest (whether it be skits, reactions etc)

I agree in the sense that you don't know what to expect with his videos, and that can be a good thing. Kevin is clearly a very hard-working individual and his success is definitely well-deserved. Despite myself not being into the kind of content he creates (entertainment), I still show my appreciation towards his effort put into the channel by liking his videos every now and then and sometimes leaving a comment to show my support. He has been through a very difficult time as have many of us, and despite his financial difficulties, he still is a charitable individual with his line of merch, which I find extremely inspiring and really shows his personality. To say he "deserves negative points" or "is the worst" is definitely over the top.

JPerm and "Simps"
Okay first of all, "simp" is definitely the wrong word. If people all liked someone popular, are they now deemed simps? This is the biggest argument that is preventing this thread from becoming a truly open debate/argument thread. By dismissing popular opinions (ie. JPerm is good) only as a means to support your personal claims (ie. JPerm is overrated) is not the way to go.

So my opinions. Is JPerm overrated? Of course not! How can a content creator be "overrated"? Dylan's subscriber counts shows the number of people that are interested in his content and thus he is neither under or overrated. I once again go back to the "popular opinions" argument I made. An argument is not an argument if the person making the arguments is simply denying the fact that a popular opinion exists and is true in most cases.

There are hundreds of thousands of people that like his content and if that makes them simps then count me in #JPermSimpClub.

Oh, and people seem to be making arguments that JPerm is overshadowing other good content creators. This is obviously not the case and it is not as if JPerm is creating some sort of monopoly within the content creation space. He is simply doing what he does best and what people want to see and he now has the admiration of cubers from entry-level to world-class. He is not taking away from anyone, he is adding to the community valuable insight and knowledge.

Also, his recent unboxings are the same as they have always been, the claim for the MKBHD and Crystal 3x3 being a lower quality is probably based off the products being of lower demand and not his actual video quality.

These are the main two points I wanted to talk about (Cubing Encoded and JPerm) and if I keep talking this post will get way too long.

What do you guys think? If you disagree with anything I said, feel free to comment below and quote me on specific things and I will try to respond, or you can use the super mature method of eye-rolling this post without giving any counter arguments. Entirely up to you.

Coming Soon:
My top picks (I didn't want this message to be too long)
Zain
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Thank you for this. Also the longest block of text I have read all of on SS. I don't love CE's content, but I actually am subbed to him. Jperm as well. I like both channels, but I don't like their most recent content. (that SS 12X12 rubber band vid was good tho.) I know this wasn't directed toward me,@hexacuber but I definitely see your point.
 
DNF_Cuber said:
Thank you for this. Also the longest block of text I have read all of on SS. I don't love CE's content, but I actually am subbed to him. Jperm as well. I like both channels, but I don't like their most recent content. (that SS 12X12 rubber band vid was good tho.) I know this wasn't directed toward me,@hexacuber but I definitely see your point.
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its wall of text, not block of text. Just saying.
 
Wow. idk why you put so much text into this Zain.
Stanley Chapel seems to have some criticisms for J Perm, namely he makes tutorials on things he doesn't understand really, in particular roux and 3bld. So because J perm is good at 3x3 fundamentals, then people watching him will think he's an expert at roux and 3-style.
 
qwr said:
Wow. idk why you put so much text into this Zain.
Stanley Chapel seems to have some criticisms for J Perm, namely he makes tutorials on things he doesn't understand really, in particular roux and 3bld. So because J perm is good at 3x3 fundamentals, then people watching him will think he's an expert at roux and 3-style.
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He is sub 11 roux and pretty good at 3 style. in his vid on how to get faster at roux, he suggests people's channels who use roux in the description, saying that his opinion is not the general authority.
 
DNF_Cuber said:
He is sub 11 roux and pretty good at 3 style. in his vid on how to get faster at roux, he suggests people's channels who use roux in the description, saying that his opinion is not the general authority.
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he also suggests watching other peoples example solves too, for more help.
 
qwr said:
Wow. idk why you put so much text into this Zain.
Stanley Chapel seems to have some criticisms for J Perm, namely he makes tutorials on things he doesn't understand really, in particular roux and 3bld. So because J perm is good at 3x3 fundamentals, then people watching him will think he's an expert at roux and 3-style.
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I tend to put a lot of text into things. When I start writing I usually don't stop until I hit a few thousand words. It's why I started out with written reviews.
JPerm only ever does basic tutorials for things he has basic knowledge on, and advanced tutorials for those he has advanced knowledge on. I think Scapel's main point is how some people refuse to watch content other than that of JPerm. Some people decide that JPerm will become their only source and those are the people that begin to assume things.
 
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