Who's fast with visual memo?

[tim]

Yeah, I had my biggest breakthrough in BLD when I switched from using person-action-object for edge permutation to using "visual" memo, exactly like you're describing, TheBB. I was actually averaging 7+ minutes, then switched to memorizing the shape of the path of the cubies, and suddenly dropped to 4-5 minutes. More than 2 minutes off my time instantly. It was the biggest change in times I've ever had.

You definitely should've practiced more, if it took you 7 minutes to memorize 20 pieces of information. Sorry, i couldn't resist .
/edit: To get your memo times down it really helps, to force yourself to memorize the cube within x seconds. Then try to recall as much as possible. Over time you can easily halve your memo times.

However, with visual memo certain sequences are easier or harder to memorize than others, a drawback that I think people who use numbers or other memory techniques are less likely to encounter.

I use images and i also have some fast and slow sequences. For example: "car + fat man" is much easier and faster to memorize than "ship + tree". But you're right, the difference between worst and best case isn't as big as with visual memorization.

Back to topic: I memorized visually before i switched to images. My memorization average was about 1:30 minutes. I found it very hard (almost impossible) to memorize in one pass, that was the main reason for me to switch to a more serious memory system.

 

[Mike Hughey]

Yeah, I had my biggest breakthrough in BLD when I switched from using person-action-object for edge permutation to using "visual" memo, exactly like you're describing, TheBB. I was actually averaging 7+ minutes, then switched to memorizing the shape of the path of the cubies, and suddenly dropped to 4-5 minutes. More than 2 minutes off my time instantly. It was the biggest change in times I've ever had.

You definitely should've practiced more, if it took you 7 minutes to memorize 20 pieces of information. Sorry, i couldn't resist .
/edit: To get your memo times down it really helps, to force yourself to memorize the cube within x seconds. Then try to recall as much as possible. Over time you can easily halve your memo times.

Back to topic: I memorized visually before i switched to images. My memorization average was about 1:30 minutes. I found it very hard (almost impossible) to memorize in one pass, that was the main reason for me to switch to a more serious memory system.

I still don't know why person-action-object was going so slow for me. I didn't have a journey or anything to go with it, and it seemed like my memory got slower and slower the more I practiced it. Old memorizations confused my new ones, somehow. Oh, and I know you were joking, but it definitely didn't take me 7 minutes to memorize. Typical memorization times were 3:30 or so. It took me 3:30 just to solve the thing. (I'm slow at turning the cube, and I was really slow back then!)

I think that trying different methods is one of the most helpful things you can do. It seems like every time I try another method, when I go back to my tried and true method after that, I make a significant jump in speed.

joey recommended to me a few days ago that I should "just go for it", aiming for a 40 second memorization time. I tried, and I didn't quite make it, but amazingly, just by trying I went from my typical 1:20 memorization time to just under a minute, which was very amazing to me! I had 3 solves in a row under 3 minutes, which is very rare for me. So I can see that what you are saying works. A big thank you to both you and joey for that suggestion.

 

[joey]

joey recommended to me a few days ago that I should "just go for it", aiming for a 40 second memorization time. I tried, and I didn't quite make it, but amazingly, just by trying I went from my typical 1:20 memorization time to just under a minute, which was very amazing to me! I had 3 solves in a row under 3 minutes, which is very rare for me. So I can see that what you are saying works. A big thank you to both you and joey for that suggestion.

Thats great Mike! I have done several sub30 memo now, but I havn't had much time to practice it alot recently, so I havn't been getting them consistently!

 

[ThePizzaGuy92]

for the corners [pochmann method] I memorize semi-visual, and i haven't messed them up since i switched to pochmann. I memorize the sticker that will end up on U, and the path of corners visually, so in my mind i have something like this memorized "Green, blue, yellow, yellow, white, green"
edges take me like 5-7 minutes to memorize because of my lack of an efficient method, corners take like 50 seconds i guess? my DNFs are usually over 10 minutes. I've only had one pochmann success so far, out of maybe 4 attempts

 

[MiloD]

i use to use journeys(roman room to be exact...) but i had trouble distinguishing between consecutive solves. so i switched to visual and have had great results. the recall is almost instant because there is no need for translation.

 

[Swordsman Kirby]

I am definitely sub-2 with visual memo on 3x3x3 BLD, sometimes sub-1:30. I can even get sub-2 with freestyle edges.
And on 4x4x4, I can get sub-10 with very few mistakes (and, like, sub-4 on a good memo now), even though I get horribly close DNF's. I was so close to 3rd in the world...
And I think that though visual may be slower, it doesn't detract from accuracy so much.

I haven't heard of anyone who's gotten sub-2 without adopting a non-visual memo system for most of the cube. I think Leyan might, depending on what you consider "weird shapey things"...
Does anybody know of other (preferably fast-ish) people who still use visual memo? Does anybody else even do 4x4x4 and 5x5x5 visually?
(Am I missing someone obvious?)

I am purely visual memo, and am around 1:35, so yeah, you missed someone, but maybe I'm not obvious enough. And I use a terrible method, too!

 

[ThePizzaGuy92]

I switched to pure visual, and it takes me about 2-4 minutes to memorize, depending on how in the zone I am I guess, haha

 

[Zava]

my memo average is about 20-25 secs with stories (pb is around 15 secs) for edges and numbers for corners (which depends on orientation) could visual memo improve this?

 

[tim]

my memo average is about 20-25 secs with stories (pb is around 15 secs) for edges and numbers for corners (which depends on orientation) could visual memo improve this?

Yes, ask Rowe Hessler .

 

[Swordsman Kirby]

my memo average is about 20-25 secs with stories (pb is around 15 secs) for edges and numbers for corners (which depends on orientation) could visual memo improve this?

Can I have your memo times?

 

[rubiks to the third]

i do visual orientation of corners and edges, then do letters for corner permutation and numbers for edge permutation

 

[Zava]

my memo average is about 20-25 secs with stories (pb is around 15 secs) for edges and numbers for corners (which depends on orientation) could visual memo improve this?

Can I have your memo times?

sorry, no, i need them too.