which method involves the least amount of turns

[Regisiew]

i was wondering what method involves the least amount of turns. not necesseraly the fastest, but the least amount of turns

 

[fanwuq]

The Per Guus Mirek method.

 

[Regisiew]

are you absolutely sure?

 

[ExoCorsair]

It is not necessarily the quickest method, though.

 

[Athefre]

Are you asking for the speedsolving method that has the least amount of turns? If so, it's probably Heise or Roux. Heise seems to have the most potential to have the least, it depends on your blockbuilding skills.

 

[miniGOINGS]

gods algorithm has the least number of turns

 

[qqwref]

Pff, God's algorithm is very inefficient. Use Frank's algorithm; it saves a couple of turns each solve.

 

[ErikJ]

Pff, God's algorithm is very inefficient. Use Frank's algorithm; it saves a couple of turns each solve.

hahhaha I wasn't expecting that. I heard he has a 1 move average of 5.

but anyway, if your looking for efficiency you can't go wrong with heise method.

 

[not_kevin]

Pff, God's algorithm is very inefficient. Use Frank's algorithm; it saves a couple of turns each solve.

hahhaha I wasn't expecting that. I heard he has a 1 move average of 5.

but anyway, if your looking for efficiency you can't go wrong with heise method.

Wow... that must have been a really bad run for him.

 

[TMOY]

All those methods are way too inefficient. Disassembling and reassembling your cube invilves no more than 0 turns on average.

 

[Faz]

Oh Hi "guy who starts a thread and never replies to it" How are you going?

Petrus speedsolvers usually use less moves than Fridrich users. However, Petrus needs more lookahead.

 

[qqwref]

All those methods are way too inefficient. Disassembling and reassembling your cube invilves no more than 0 turns on average.

I think we did this as a mystery event once. I can do it in about a minute, generally

 

[blade740]

Pff, God's algorithm is very inefficient. Use Frank's algorithm; it saves a couple of turns each solve.

hahhaha I wasn't expecting that. I heard he has a 1 move average of 5.

but anyway, if your looking for efficiency you can't go wrong with heise method.

Wow... that must have been a really bad run for him.

The one move is actually a pelvic thrust.

 

[Johannes91]

Petrus needs more lookahead [than Fridrich].

Why?

 

[JLarsen]

Petrus needs more lookahead [than Fridrich].

Why?

I believe he means its harder, and I agree.

 

[lostcuber108]

Most cubers in least moves competitions use either Petrus (my method for least moves) or Gilles-Roux. Both aren't the fastest due to their more intellectual approach rather than pure algorithms.

 

[AvGalen]

Most cubers in least moves competitions use either Petrus (my method for least moves) or Gilles-Roux. Both aren't the fastest due to their more intellectual approach rather than pure algorithms.

False. Most users just do an optimized Fridrich solve. (just ask a judge that checked FMC solutions)

Most really good FMC competitors don't use a fixed system for solving the puzzle. They take advantage of easy/short/lucky cases on the puzzle.

Starting with a (pseudo) block is pretty popular, but after that most good FMC solutions aren't like Petrus or Roux solves.

And premoves and insertions can only be used when you are allowed to take moves back, or use multiple cubes.

 

[JLarsen]

I'm actually pretty sure I can do less moves with Fridrich than with Petrus, or at least if you gave me the same amount of time to do either method, on the same scramble, I think Fridrich would be less moves (not including the fact that I don't use full OLL)

But just to confirm, I'll spend a couple minutes on two cubes, same scramble, one fridrich one petrus.....

Petrus F2L, 32

Fridrich F2L, 40

hmmmmm....... Now of course take into account the difference in knowledge I have of the two methods, which is quite a lot, and then, I really don't know. But also! =] Take into account Petrus does at least 3 moves more than Fridrich for bad edges during F2L rather than in the form of an OLL, and I would say Petrus takes less moves than Fridrich. Can a Fridrich solver try this? As in do a quick FMC type comparison on a scramble? Perhaps multiple people? Or more than one scramble? I think I may do this

 

[fanwuq]

Is it Speed, Linear FMC, or classic FMC?

For classic FMC, I might not even use F2L and end up inserting the last corner (which cycle with 2 others in the LL). I use the beginner version of the Per-Guus-Mirek method aka no system at all, usually (pseudo) skeleton + insertion(s). I'm usually mad if I can't find a skeleton that requires less than 30 moves with one insertion or less than 24 moves with 2 insertions. And I'm quite mad these days because I haven't practiced for so long.
For linear solves, Petrus or Fridrich F2L is usually sub-30 moves.
For speed, it is more like 35 moves for F2L.

I agree with AvGalen. Actually ZZ can be a pretty good method for Linear FMC.

 

[rahulkadukar]

Well I read that ZB method has the potential of 40 moves on average. So it can be optimized even more