What is this forum meant to be for?- I've just had ENOUGH of the rude, discouraging..

[CubeX]

I have just had enough of the nonsense, rudeness, and put downs people make of others.

When i first joined the forum in 2008, i did not post anything as such, because i was afraid that my ideas or even questions about the Rubik's Cube would be laughed at, not giving any feedback/comments.

And when i did post threads on such as New Method: F3L, i actually was TRYING to contribute to the cubing world, and express my ideas out.

And what do i get?

When i said even though i am quiting cubing for 2 years, Dene Bea....sly said (similar):

Dene: "The two years of peace i have been waiting for"

Well, my comment to you is back off, leave me alone. The reason i joined the Australian WCA Competitions was to have fun, i don't really care about the times anyway. And you suddenly think that i am there just to waste your time because i can't reach the cut-off limit. Oh, so what you are saying is that only if you can reach the cut off limit, then you can participate in those events. And so much more i could see your UNKINDNESS.

And even to other users:

"Lets spam this thread so it gets closed"
and about the "trolling" buisness.

etc..

I have seriously had enough with this.

I thought that this forum was meant to be for meeting new people, socializing, communicating/discussions, have fun, share ideas etc. BEING HAPPY!

So i leave you with this question?

Why is there a forum like SpeedSolving.com?

Is it for users like you guys to put people down, and only allow the fastest cubers in?

 

[qqwref]

And when i did post threads on such as New Method: F3L, i actually was TRYING to contribute to the cubing world, and express my ideas out.

"I will finish this unrealistic method in 3 years" is not a useful contribution. The attitude is all wrong; if you want to discuss a method idea we're happy to do that, but you can't go in with a ridiculous idea and act like people will wait YEARS for you to finish thinking about it.

Oh, so what you are saying is that only if you can reach the cut off limit, then you can participate in those events.

Yes, that is exactly how the cut-off is supposed to work. People who have put in the time and effort to get fast enough are allowed to do their solves. If you're slower, the whole point is that you're not supposed to use up too much time, since a competition only has so much of it.

I thought that this forum was meant to be for meeting new people, socializing, communicating/discussions, have fun, share ideas etc. BEING HAPPY!

Discussing and sharing ideas? Sure. But "have fun" and "being happy" are not the points of the forum. If they were, we'd spend all day sharing funny youtube videos and so on.

 

[Zane_C]

I find your comments more aggressive than the ones posted by the "users".

 

[Tim Major]

Let me ask you, a question.
What is the point of life?
Meeting new people, socializing, communicating, discussion?
This happens, just like the forums. But the forums have rules, to keep the super anti-social things away.
So does life!
But do you see these things always kept to how it's meant to be? No. But people put up with it. If you whinge and complain it happens more. Suck it up, and avoid doing things that'll prevoke others.
And I hope to see you at Kubaroo Open. In regards to cutoffs, they're as lenient as we can make them. They vary. But if the fast 2x2ers take less than a minute to do their averages, why would you be allowed 10 minutes to do yours? (Not directed at you)
People are given a roughly even amount of time.
If you can't make cutoffs, practise until you can. But it's either have 1 event with no cutoff, or 5 events with cutoffs. Choose your favourite events, and practice those, to make the cutoff.

Edit: posted on phone, excuse mistakes.

 

[Meisen]

I have to agree with OP. Especially 3 relatively rude people pops into mind; kirjava, dene and stefan. Ofcourse they also contribute with helpfull and positive things. I've grown tired of the smirk comments often originating from some users. Some people on this forum just communicate in a way that can make others feel "less".

 

[EnterPseudonym]

I have to agree with OP. Especially 3 relatively rude people pops into mind; kirjava, dene and stefan. Ofcourse they also contribute with helpfull and positive things. I've grown tired of the smirk comments often originating from some users. Some people on this forum just communicate in a way that can make others feel "less".

those three do stand out, but I think that it's more of their "followers"(actually it seems that since their(kir, sefan, etc.) flaming is alright [since they contribute to the comm.] that it is okay for the other lesser know people to do it. It also seems that since they aren't very well known inside the comm. that they feel the need to make themselves stand out, whether by postwhoring or just being asshats.) that do the insulting, such as Zane and Tim. I could go on with the list if I wanted, and I'm sure many of them will post flaming comments as well.

 

[Zane_C]

those three do stand out, but I think that it's more of their "followers"(actually it seems that since their(kir, sefan, etc.) flaming is alright [since they contribute to the comm.] that it is okay for the other lesser know people to do it. It also seems that since they aren't very well known inside the comm. that they feel the need to make themselves stand out, whether by postwhoring or just being asshats.) that do the insulting, such as Zane and Tim. I could go on with the list if I wanted, and I'm sure many of them will post flaming comments as well.

How was I insulting? Please justify.

 

[Andreaillest]

Uh, calm down brah. A couple of small rude posts is nothing to get worked over for. Just move on. Yes, Kir, Dene, and Stefan do insult people, but they do it when they find something utterly idiotic. They have contributed to the Speedcubing community more than you know and can be really helpful when they want to be.

In closing, calm down. You're not seriously being cyberbullied. People who flame are either;
A) Twats.
B) See something truly moronic.

Have a nice day.

 

[Meisen]

Uh, calm down brah. A couple of small rude posts is nothing to get worked over for. Just move on. Yes, Kir, Dene, and Stefan do insult people, but they do it when they find something utterly idiotic. They have contributed to the Speedcubing community more than you know and can be really helpful when they want to be.

In closing, calm down. You're not seriously being cyberbullied. People who flame are either;
A) Twats.
B) See something truly moronic.

Have a nice day.

I wholehartedly disagree with you insinuating rudness is OK because they also contribute!

Look at Chris Hardwick or Conrad Rider. Very helpful people, and always plesant and polite about it.

A lot would be better if people would just think a little bit before they post: "Will my post contribute in a positive way"? If yes, post away, if no, just let it be...

 

[Andreaillest]

I wholehartedly disagree with you insinuating rudness is OK because they also contribute!

You misread my post. Not once did I say being "rude" was okay or contributed positively. Re-read it and understand it, please.

 

[Zane_C]

those three do stand out, but I think that it's more of their "followers"(actually it seems that since their(kir, sefan, etc.) flaming is alright [since they contribute to the comm.] that it is okay for the other lesser know people to do it. It also seems that since they aren't very well known inside the comm. that they feel the need to make themselves stand out, whether by postwhoring or just being asshats.) that do the insulting, such as Zane and Tim. I could go on with the list if I wanted, and I'm sure many of them will post flaming comments as well.

I'm not amused by your comment at all.

So I'm an insulting follower, simply because I posted this and this?

 

[Meisen]

You misread my post. Not once did I say being "rude" was okay or contributed positively. Re-read it and understand it, please.

I think we will have to agree to disagree. You basically condoned rudness by adding the comment about him having no idea how much they have contributed. And you also stated that they were only rude when they found something "utterly idiotic", and that is just not the case! Please don't contend my statement, i'm in no mood to rifle trough threads to dig up proof :/

And even if that was the case, that they find something idiotic, it STILL does not give them the right to be inpolite. There are people ranging from beginner to expert here, and what an expert might find idiotic an beginner might find curious and/or intriguing. It does not mean the beginner is an idiot, just inexperienced.

And that does not warrant ridicule, at least not in my opinion...

*Edit*: It might not have been the comment about their contribution that made me feel that you felt they were entiteled to rudeness, but more that you stated that they only did it when they found people idiotic. Isn't that condoning?

 

[Cubenovice]

And when i did post threads on such as New Method: F3L, i actually was TRYING to contribute to the cubing world, and express my ideas out.
And what do i get?

I agree some members can be (too) rude sometimes.

But regarding your F3L post:
In all honesty: If you have been on the forum for three years you know what you can expect when you post “a new method” without having worked out any details. Read back your post and think how this could NOT be interpreted as a possible trolling attempt?

The reason i joined the Australian WCA Competitions was to have fun, i don't really care about the times anyway. And you suddenly think that i am there just to waste your time because i can't reach the cut-off limit. Oh, so what you are saying is that only if you can reach the cut off limit, then you can participate in those events. And so much more i could see your UNKINDNESS.

I think the cut off limits are quite fair… Many competitions have a 3 minute time limit for the 3x3x3!
In which other competitive sport would you find a time limit which is more than 18 times that of the top 100 competitors?And even if you do not meet the cut off limit, you are typically allowed to finish your solve so you can actually set an official result.
OK, you don’t get a second solve but you have to realize that organizers have a schedule to stick to.

And even to other users:
"Lets spam this thread so it gets closed"
and about the "trolling" buisness.
etc..

I have seriously had enough with this.

Fair enough. Could do without these posts.

I thought that this forum was meant to be for meeting new people, socializing, communicating/discussions, have fun, share ideas etc. BEING HAPPY!
So i leave you with this question?

Why is there a forum like SpeedSolving.com?
Is it for users like you guys to put people down, and only allow the fastest cubers in?

No, it is meant for meeting new people, socializing, communicating/discussions, have fun, share ideas etc.
Never, ever, have I seen a comment about someone being too slow to be allowed on Speedsolving.com.
Have you?

But I do have seen tons of supportive posts trying to help “slow” cubers improve.

 

[Tim Major]

those three do stand out, but I think that it's more of their "followers"(actually it seems that since their(kir, sefan, etc.) flaming is alright [since they contribute to the comm.] that it is okay for the other lesser know people to do it. It also seems that since they aren't very well known inside the comm. that they feel the need to make themselves stand out, whether by postwhoring or just being asshats.) that do the insulting, such as Zane and Tim. I could go on with the list if I wanted, and I'm sure many of them will post flaming comments as well.

I showed this to Zane as soon as you posted, but had indoor soccer so I couldn't defend myself. Please point out any posts I've done to insult Timothy in this thread. I feel you used me and Zane as "examples" as we were the previous posts, but I see no flaming, just advice or pointing out of facts from us.
I'm not saying I've never flamed anyone, but I try not to. I can recall me flaming/trolling a few months ago and I got temp banned so I learnt from it.
And contributing to the community does not authorise you to flame others.

 

[Magix]

OP is just raging because his "let's make a new 3x3 method that you have to learn algorithms for 20 years for" thread got shut down.

That's all there is to it, moving on.

 

[Kirjava]

I'm appalled at the level of entitlement you feel like you have.

You post a topic that is essentially spam - even if the method is not complete vapourware (which it is), there is no content whatsoever. There was no reason to make that post. What did you expect people to say?

I don't know how you can say you're leaving the forum for three years and then start complaining that it doesn't have the right atmosphere you require. If you're going to leave, just leave and you can stop worrying about us.

You're complaining about people mocking your ideas in the thread, yet you failed to actually post any ideas.

Go away.

 

[Andreaillest]

I think we will have to agree to disagree. You basically condoned rudness by adding the comment about him having no idea how much they have contributed. And you also stated that they were only rude when they found something "utterly idiotic", and that is just not the case! Please don't contend my statement, i'm in no mood to rifle trough threads to dig up proof :/

No I did not. Kir, Dene, and Stefan have been making "rude" responses in and out of the forums since...well forever. We've just gotten used to it by now and they really aren't serious. Do I agree with it...eh, it depends and honestly, I don't care. It's just something they do. Yes, they can get out of hand, but for most of the part, their comments aren't worth getting your panties all worked up for. Not theirs or anybody else's for that matter are worth getting mad over. And if you've met them in real life, they're actually really nice guys. Not mean at all and considered very helpful.

And even if that was the case, that they find something idiotic, it STILL does not give them the right to be inpolite. There are people ranging from beginner to expert here, and what an expert might find idiotic an beginner might find curious and/or intriguing. It does not mean the beginner is an idiot, just inexperienced.

Again, I never said being a beginner condones rude responses. They just need guidance. I do agree that people make comments that are uncalled for. But they're just doing it for to "look cool" or "fit in." They don't realize that they looking more like an ass than they do cool. And yes some of us do call them out on their rude posts. That or no one gives them the attention they want, they don't deserve it. Even trolls don't deserve an ounce of our time.

And that does not warrant ridicule, at least not in my opinion...

Agreed, beginners who are asking for serious help do not need ridicule, they need guidance. But then there are those just asking for it...
http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/s...3x3x3-Method-REALLY-FAST!&p=331778#post331778
http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?25980-WTF-L-moves&p=497144&viewfull=1#post497144

*Edit*: It might not have been the comment about their contribution that made me feel that you felt they were entiteled to rudeness, but more that you stated that they only did it when they found people idiotic. Isn't that condoning?

Well, if I'm condoning them then so do a bunch of other people. not many people heckle them for this and they've never been permabanned. *shrug* Does this give them the rights to flame? No, not really, but they're hardly ever serious or crude.
Again, a couple of rude comments here and there are not worth raging over, as most of them aren't serious and others are just being an ass. This was the point in my first post. Just move on and if it gets out of hand, let the mods take care of it. OP is just mad because people didn't like his idea.

I should be working on my final...uh. Moving on.

 

[Innocence]

@Zane and Tim: Just leave it. Seriously, we're not going to think you're mean just because some random says you are.

I do agree that certain respected members do get away with a little too much negativity and pointless remarks, but never have I found this forum to have a hopelessly negative atmosphere. It would probably be better if we could all constructively criticize people though.

@Kirjava: +1. By the way, this is a "good" post. Nice and happy, but mean at the same time.

 

[E3cubestore]

I'm pretty new here myself, and even though I have not had the unfortunate circumstance of being the brunt of ridicule, I've seen it occurring on this forum significantly.
From my observance, I think it happens for 2 reasons.
1. Someone posts a topic that is obviously worthless and makes themselves look like a noob.
2. Someone posts a topic that has potential, but presents it in an unproffesional manner.

But, for the people who get ridiculed, getting angry seems to only make the people making fun of you more justified because you are acting immature because you were ridiculed.

So I think it's best to go on with life, because nobody is obligated to be nice to you.

I'm not saying people should be mean though

 

[StachuK1992]

As far as I can see, people told you off because your idea had no content.
This is justified to some extent, as it was a waste of a thread (and not even a humorous one!); the vagueness of this idea is pretty extreme.

As for the "hating" or "rudeness:" although it's not appropriate, being here for three years should have taught you that this would have been the general reaction.
This doesn't justify the rudeness, but an embrace for it would have been appropriate.

-Statue