What event would you like to become WCA official?

[Robert-Y]

The reason why I don't like magic and master magic (as well as speedstacking) is that it doesn't require much skill to become good at these events

While I can't argue with most problems people have with magic, I definitely don't agree with this one. Magic is pretty stupid, but getting really fast at it (like, the .8-1 range) isn't that easy.

Yes, sorry, I was sorta trying to say that it is easier to improve on the magic and master magic than on 3x3x3 and other puzzles.

EDIT: How about 3x3x3 No inspection? Were there any problems with this event in the past of something?

 

[Dene]

You know of a way to do sq1BLD without going to cubeshape first? I'd be interested to hear it.

I do (but just theoretically, no more than you), but that's not what I said. What I said was you don't need to on-the-fly trace pieces through several moves until cube shape. You could *learn* transition tables from all shapes to cube shape *beforehand*. Once you've done that, it should be much easier and not as time-consuming. It's a lot to learn, of course. But it's just one extreme end, learning transitions for all shapes. The other extreme end is knowing only the cube shape. One method between those two extremes is to learn transitions for a subset of all shapes so that any shape is at most one move away from one of those, so you have very little to trace during the attempt.

Thanks for bringing this up, Stefan. This is exactly what I had in mind when I said I have a method I want to try. (And I'm talking about the extreme end. It's simply not all that extreme. Compared to the big pi memorization efforts, it's, well, as easy as pie. ) I'm hoping my first successful square-1 BLD solve will be easily stackmatted. Truth is, I'm expecting to be disappointed with anything worse than 5 minutes. And it should be possible to be pretty much as accurate as with 3x3x3 BLD.

Certainly, if you were to learn every optimal cubeshape case and then learn how it effects all the pieces on the puzzle then this would be the best method. The problem is that you would still solve the sq1 the normal way that you would speedsolve it. I already know how many of my algorithms effect other pieces on the cube so I think with a bit of practise I could already sq1bld with cubeshape solved. Then all the event becomes is "who knows the most optimal cubeshapes". I don't see any real extra element added to the official events if this were to happen.

 

[qqwref]

For 3x3 no inspection: how about the fact that it's really hard to organize? You basically have to have the judge uncover the cube at the exact same time that the solver picks up his hands off the timer. It's too difficult to judge whether the solver has taken an extra half second of inspection or not.


I don't think "scrambled magic" is at all a good idea. I'd much rather see no magic than the scrambled version as an official event. It's just silly and that's certainly not what people think of when they think of solving a magic... and since there are so few positions, it would still be a dexterity puzzle, just one that takes a bit more training to be able to see the entire solution at the start.

 

[KevinK]

I would like to see:
team BLD
relays
skewb
OH BLD
old multi-bld
copying a scrambled cube
solving three cubes while juggling (like in Macky's video)

If OH BLD were an event, I would practice it more often. It is the kind of event that looks like it requires more skill than it actually requires. It could generate a lot of publicity.

For solving three cubes while juggling, you would be solving one cube OH while juggling the other two in the other hand. When you are done with the first one, you start the cascade and switch to the next cube.

This would be a cool event because many cubers can also juggle. I know that someone will argue the point that it could be hard to regulate because of drops. The rule would be that moves may only be applied when at least one cube is in the air. The only factor that I can think of that could convince people to not do this is that the cube can fall and break. If you use a store bought cube, you should be fine.

 

[Stefan]

For 3x3 no inspection: [...] It's too difficult to judge whether the solver has taken an extra half second of inspection or not.

Half a second static inspection is acceptable. It's not like you can recognize and plan a cross or anything like it in that time. If you have 15 seconds inspection where you can even pick up and rotate the cube, that's something entirely different. At least for me, the reason to dislike the inspection is that while you're not physically making moves, you *are* already *solving* before the timer starts. This isn't the case with half a second of recognition. I'd even be ok with two seconds. So the difference to our current normal routine would be to reduce the time by 15 seconds. After that, the same two seconds tolerance and penalties that we already use would come into play.

 

[Kit Clement]

For 3x3 no inspection: how about the fact that it's really hard to organize? You basically have to have the judge uncover the cube at the exact same time that the solver picks up his hands off the timer. It's too difficult to judge whether the solver has taken an extra half second of inspection or not.

You could just do it the same way BLD is done, where the competitor must remove the cover themselves.

 

[qqwref]

You could just do it the same way BLD is done, where the competitor must remove the cover themselves.

Ewwwwwww. If they make that the rule I'm never competing in 3speed again.

 

[Ellis]

You could just do it the same way BLD is done, where the competitor must remove the cover themselves.

Ewwwwwww. If they make that the rule I'm never competing in 3speed again.

Haha... well it would be a separate event so you could choose to just not compete in that. And what's so bad about that? If it works for bld I don't see why it would be so much worse for 3x3 with no inspection. It would definitely make judging easier.

 

[Gparker]

You could just do it the same way BLD is done, where the competitor must remove the cover themselves.

Ewwwwwww. If they make that the rule I'm never competing in 3speed again.

Haha... well it would be a separate event so you could choose to just not compete in that. And what's so bad about that? If it works for bld I don't see why it would be so much worse for 3x3 with no inspection. It would definitely make judging easier.

yea but i dont think they should use a box. it would take to much time. maybe an index card or peice of paper.

 

[Ellis]

You could just do it the same way BLD is done, where the competitor must remove the cover themselves.

Ewwwwwww. If they make that the rule I'm never competing in 3speed again.

Haha... well it would be a separate event so you could choose to just not compete in that. And what's so bad about that? If it works for bld I don't see why it would be so much worse for 3x3 with no inspection. It would definitely make judging easier.

yea but i dont think they should use a box. it would take to much time. maybe an index card or peice of paper.

That's what they've done for speed and bld events at the competitions I've been to.

 

[Stefan]

The starting procedure issues for no-inspection will be gone once we have cubes whose stickers turn visible the instant you start the timer.

 

[sooland]

If the WCA would add another event for which people could compete for, which event do you want it to be?
Skewb Solve? 2x2 one-handed? How about Pyraminx Crystal? Would bandage cube work?

Okay, there's tons of great ideas! It seems like skewb is really popular. Personally, even though I don't know how to solve one, I believe that eventually skewb will become an event. I mean, why is Clock an official event and not skewb? Skewb is just as popular. Square one blindfold seems to be pretty popular and team relays are an excellent idea. Perhaps for team relays. Indivdual persons would not be scored and instead teams would be. Team BLD is very popular. Personally, I think that there should be a couple of team events. But, like tons of people commented, let's keep away from getting rid of events. That would be exceedingly unfair. I've also heard comments about having snake and tetraminx.

 

[stuvalt309]

If the WCA would add another event for which people could compete for, which event do you want it to be?
Skewb Solve? 2x2 one-handed? How about Pyraminx Crystal? Would bandage cube work?

Okay, there's tons of great ideas! It seems like skewb is really popular. Personally, even though I don't know how to solve one, I believe that eventually skewb will become an event. I mean, why is Clock an official event and not skewb? Skewb is just as popular. Square one blindfold seems to be pretty popular and team relays are an excellent idea. Perhaps for team relays. Indivdual persons would not be scored and instead teams would be. Team BLD is very popular. Personally, I think that there should be a couple of team events. But, like tons of people commented, let's keep away from getting rid of events. That would be exceedingly unfair. I've also heard comments about having snake and tetraminx. [/QUOTE]
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[Ellis]

^can you stop using 2 accounts to post the same thing or answers to your own questions? I know you are brothers, but it can and will get super annoying.

 

[Stefan]

why is Clock an official event and not skewb?

I'm not 100% sure, but I believe it's because the clock is an official "Rubik's" product (not invented by Erno Rubik, but sold by the people licensing his name).

Though one could defend clock against skewb by pointing out that the pyraminx is already official and kinda similar to skewb, while there's nothing similar to clock.

Skewb is just as popular.

Really? How do you know?

Square one blindfold seems to be pretty popular

In theory.

 

[Stefan]

^can you stop using 2 accounts to post the same thing or answers to your own questions? I know you are brothers, but it can and will get super annoying.

What's wrong with it? If you meant the post right above yours, I'm sure he just screwed up that post. Could've just as well happened with two completely independent people.

 

[Ellis]

^can you stop using 2 accounts to post the same thing or answers to your own questions? I know you are brothers, but it can and will get super annoying.

What's wrong with it? If you meant the post right above yours, I'm sure he just screwed up that post. Could've just as well happened with two completely independent people.

Okay, but it was exactly the same, why not just delete it? It's like double posting on multiple accounts. And this was the second time (at least) he/they made that mistake.

 

[Stefan]

but it was exactly the same

No it wasn't. See the [noparse][/quote]_______[/noparse] at the end? Suggests a screwed up attempt to quote and reply to. Nothing to do with them being brothers.

 

[Ellis]

I saw the /quote, I meant the context was exactly they same. What was he trying to do anyway, just quote something without adding anything extra? If it was just a mistake, I think he would have edited it by now.

ahh I cant even quote you correctly.

 

[stuvalt309]

^can you stop using 2 accounts to post the same thing or answers to your own questions? I know you are brothers, but it can and will get super annoying.

Sorry about that [/QUOTE]