WCA has now banned stickerless cubes for BLD. Thoughts?

[MaeLSTRoM]

If it wasn't conclusive then why did they pass the rule? They should not have passed it if they didn't have a conclusive reason to.

From what I understand, It was passed to resolve the inconsistency with allowing stickerless cubes for BLD events and not for others. This makes sense, they should either be usable for everything or nothing imo.

 

[Ollie]

From what I understand, It was passed to resolve the inconsistency with allowing stickerless cubes for BLD events and not for others. This makes sense, they should either be usable for everything or nothing imo.

Here here

Now to sort out the +2 rule (commence debate.)

 

[bobthegiraffemonkey]

I've still never seen anyone give a detailed decription of what the 'basic concept' of the cube is, or more importantly a suitable justification of any such definition. I raised this point in a previous thread but it went ignored. It's only because the WCA haven't actually defined this that they have to give numerous examples of what an extension to the 'basic concept' is in the regs, to explicitly cover any cube they happen to feel doesn't comply with their probably arbitrary and unexplained idea of what constitutes an acceptable cube. Unless I've just overlooked it?

 

[tim]

I've still never seen anyone give a detailed decription of what the 'basic concept' of the cube is, or more importantly a suitable justification of any such definition.

From my point of view the "basic concept" of a puzzle consists of
a) the possible moves/mechanics of the puzzle
b) solved/unsolved states

Finding a proper definition for the "basic concept" which covers the current rules/decisions is probably impossible or at least very hard. But adding arbitrary rules for visibility of pieces/markings is just asking for trouble (especially since tiles are actually allowed.)
On the other hand, the WCA regulations aren't supposed to be a place to cover every corner case there is (otherwise they'd become an unmaintainable mess in no time). So we probably have to live with these "arbitrary" decisions by the WCA board or get rid of all ambiguous rules which will lead to other strange things like people using transparent cubes for example.

/edit: I'm sorry for this poorly written text. I somehow couldn't express my thoughts more clearly...

 

[Kirjava]

If it wasn't conclusive then why did they pass the rule?

Just in case.

 

[bgdgyfer]

Now I can`t use a stickerless guhong or zhanchi in BLD. :-(

 

[mrpotatoman14]

I think it's good for the sake of consistency.

 

[StephenC]

I think that the argument that you should disallow stickerless cubes for consistency, is unreasonable unless the V-cube 7 is also disallowed. Pillowed cubes are not allowed in any other events, and the ShengShou is now widely available and used. I think that many people have bought stickerless cubes specifically for multi-blind, just like the people that have bought the V-cube 7 for 7x7. I just figured that I would give my opinion on the matter, as it looks as though nobody else has brought this up.

 

[yoruichi]

seems like a dumb rule

 

[CarlBrannen]

While I don' t have a dog in this race (no BLD, no stickerless), I think it would be nicer bring the restriction in over a longer period of time. Maybe 2013.

 

[musicninja17]

Devil's advocate time! ...Well, since our eyes are spaced farther apart than the length of a cube, we can see more than 3 sides at once anyway, right?

 

[uniacto]

Devil's advocate time! ...Well, since our eyes are spaced farther apart than the length of a cube, we can see more than 3 sides at once anyway, right?

that's true, but it sorta depends on the person.

 

[Godmil]

I think that the argument that you should disallow stickerless cubes for consistency, is unreasonable unless the V-cube 7 is also disallowed.

Give them a chance. Stickerless cubes have been out a lot longer than good cubic 7x7s.

 

[antoineccantin]

Does this mean the current 3BLD and MultiBLD WRs are invalid?

 

[Michael Womack]

If stickerless Cubes were never banned for BLD then the BLD solver won't do any thing like purposely put vinyl stickers on one side another smooth tiles another texured tiles or chipped/peel stickers so there fingers can feel what the sticker is.

 

[Fallen Apart]

Law does not work backwards... at least in my country

 

[Michael Womack]

Law does not work backwards... at least in my country

What dose this have to do with WCA?

 

[Kian]

Does this mean the current 3BLD and MultiBLD WRs are invalid?

No.

 

[prażeodym]

Well done WCA, You lost -10 points for dumbest decision of the month. My quation is why I can use v cube 7x7 if it is pillowed, and I can see WHILE SOLVING THE CUBE more than 3 sides. Or maybe I should take very small cube, so I could see more than 3 sides because I have 2 eyes?

Ok, if it is really true, and every blindfold cuber see more than they should see using colored cube then my quation is:
Why cubers can't make their jobe easier?
I mean why we can lubricate cubes for example? It definitly helps us. In my oppinion, every cube should be legal. If You see more than 3 sides - good to You, mb it will help You get better times. Upgraded corners help You while solving megaminx? Weren't they made for it?

Not every cuber will like colored cube, and not for everyone it will help (mb for someone normal cube will be better, does it mean that we have to ban it?). If pillowed cubes would be legal, I don't think every cuber will change their cube, because You can see more than 3 sieds. For most of then, normal cubic shape will be better to turn faster (because it is very uncomfortable to turn it fast, like on pillowed 2Vcube).

BTW greeting for every one who thinks that it possible to see colors on cube bettwen pices while solving it fast. It have to really decrease Your times!

Edit:
I forgot about this:
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[cubernya]

For everybody: I emailed the board on this, and this is the response I got from Ron:

Hi all,

I actually hate these discussions. I just do not understand why people keep on discussing this matter when there is an easy solution: just use "normal" cubes. There are many good cubes!
There must be a boundary for what is allowed and what isn't. There are definitely examples of cubes that WOULD give an advantage, or would change the way we solve. Maybe this specific cube does not give a big advantage, but at least the regulation is better than making a complex regulation of what is allowed and what isn't.

Have fun,

Ron