Want to get Faster at Square-1

[vcuber13]

i know i went there too but im looking for the double u perms so it does a u perm on the top and the bottom at the same time

 

[Dene]

What do you find confusing? If you're finding it confusing, I suggest you don't bother learning double U. Doing opp/opp the adj/adj is essentially optimal. Double U just cuts out the unnecessary moves.

 

[Deleted member 4527]

Only ccw/cw combination U perms (as in, half of the double U perms) can be done with one alg, you have to use two algs for each of the other two.

 

[vcuber13]

What do you find confusing? If you're finding it confusing, I suggest you don't bother learning double U.

I under stand them but i find his pictures kind of confusing and the pictures didn't always match the "UF UR UB" thing, and I thought he was missing some.

Only ccw/cw combination U perms (as in, half of the double U perms) can be done with one alg, you have to use two algs for each of the other two.

I didn't know that, that would explain why I thought he was missing some.

 

[vcuber13]

I just did an average of 12 and it was 39.65, sub 40
random scrambles though

 

[Deleted member 4527]

I just did an average of 12 and it was 39.65, sub 40
random scrambles though

Nice. See you at TOS (hopefully). now time to beat Forte

 

[Forte]

I just did an average of 12 and it was 39.65, sub 40
random scrambles though

Nice. See you at TOS (hopefully). now time to beat Forte

I wanna beat Forte too

 

[MTGjumper]

@ neo: Do you not consider 1,0 / 3,0 / -1,-1 / 3,0 / -2,1 / -1,-1 / 3,0 / -5,1 / -1,0 and its inverse a single alg?

 

[Deleted member 4527]

@ neo: Do you not consider 1,0 / 3,0 / -1,-1 / 3,0 / -2,1 / -1,-1 / 3,0 / -5,1 / -1,0 and its inverse a single alg?

Not really, that's just two double U perms combined...

 

[blade740]

Square-1 is all about practice. You could honestly average 25 without learning anything new.

When you do your CP algs, you can misalign by (1,0) or (0,-1) (or both) before performing the algorithm and preserve different blocks. Learn to use that to influence your EP.

 

[vcuber13]

Square-1 is all about practice. You could honestly average 25 without learning anything new.

When you do your CP algs, you can misalign by (1,0) or (0,-1) (or both) before performing the algorithm and preserve different blocks. Learn to use that to influence your EP.

ya i now before i learned this method i could average about a min and i know about manipulating edges when doing cp i can get a skip by doing it labout every 10 solves. right now my plan is to just practice and have a 35 sec average for TOS

 

[DavidWoner]

@ neo: Do you not consider 1,0 / 3,0 / -1,-1 / 3,0 / -2,1 / -1,-1 / 3,0 / -5,1 / -1,0 and its inverse a single alg?

Not really, that's just two double U perms combined...

That's dumb. An algorithm is "a precise rule (or set of rules) specifying how to solve some problem " so regardless of its individual components, any series of moves that accomplishes something is an algorithm. Would you say R U R' U' R' F R F' is two algorithms? What about R' U2 R2 U R' U' R' U2 r U R U' r'?

 

[Deleted member 4527]

@ neo: Do you not consider 1,0 / 3,0 / -1,-1 / 3,0 / -2,1 / -1,-1 / 3,0 / -5,1 / -1,0 and its inverse a single alg?

Not really, that's just two double U perms combined...

That's dumb. An algorithm is "a precise rule (or set of rules) specifying how to solve some problem " so regardless of its individual components, any series of moves that accomplishes something is an algorithm. Would you say R U R' U' R' F R F' is two algorithms? What about R' U2 R2 U R' U' R' U2 r U R U' r'?

I meant the optimal solution for double cw or double ccw U perms is the two double U perms combined...so you don't have to learn extra algs, similar to the conjugated PLLs.

 

[DavidWoner]

But saying "you have to use 2 algs" is very misleading.

 

[Deleted member 4527]

But saying "you have to use 2 algs" is very misleading.

Okay I see the point. I still use opp + opp then adj + adj which is slower but I can also solve middle layer if needed.

 

[vcuber13]

Now that I'm to about a 40 sec average and am serious what would you guys recommend for a 30 sec average?

Cube: ≈ 9
CO: ≈ 4
EO: ≈ 5
CP: ≈ 5
EP: ≈ 18

Should I just keep practicing?

 

[MTGjumper]

Using only a few algs, you can get to this easily:

Cube: 5
CO: 3
EO: 4
CP: 3
EP: 10

 

[vcuber13]

So basically just keep practicing?
Mostly cube shape and EP?

I'm going to learn o perm and opposite parity.

 

[Dene]

But saying "you have to use 2 algs" is very misleading.

Okay I see the point. I still use opp + opp then adj + adj which is slower but I can also solve middle layer if needed.

I do the same for bad double Us.

 

[MTGjumper]

I always used to use adj-adj twice, because I'm quicker at it than opp-opp =/