V6 / V-Cube 6x6x6 Mod thread

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Can you talk faster? I can barely understand you with so many pauses.

 

[TheJoker]

sorry, sir for the ellipses.

sir dene, you are right, the two pieces remove the 66%, which is 2/3 of the slice, and the pin mod of MMP's is for the remaining slice which 1/3. it is a great mod, but you can still encounter a misalignment as that 1/3 slice or the remaining slice slip and we call it the bad slice, so the solution is avoid doing a lot of turning on the bad slice.

the two pieces glued on the center, and if we make it let say on TOP (U), you will not encounter misalignment on L R F B, you will only encounter misalignment on the U D SLICE or the BAD SLICE stated on the other thread of JASON BAUM.

everybody is avoiding that bad slice. by making the center with two pieces glued on it by gluing it and making it permanent not moving, the misalignment on U D slice will go away...

why don't you try it, it just a little mod added to the PIN MOD of MMP, as it will be only judge if it was applied, no harm done.

as you can see, it is suffice. as there will be some tiny adjustment, the center with glued on it, let say it is on TOP (U), it will not be smooth like the other cuz you actually turning the whole core, well we tried on a loose v6 black, it is not noticeable, as any you can call it a not smooth slice, but no bad slice anymore.

well i expected this to happened but it is okay, as this will be the start, and if any other have some improvement, let it be, to make the v6 good.

again sorry to you all. just trying to be a little help. that's all.

thanks a lot.

 

[masterofthebass]

THe misalignments don't come from the outer faces... You only have 3 slices that are possible to misalign and the gluing of the 2 pieces fixes 2/3 of those slices. The pins that "MMP" added help fix the last slice that isn't affected by the glued pieces. You obviously really don't understand what's going on with his mod.

 

[TheJoker]

THe misalignments don't come from the outer faces... You only have 3 slices that are possible to misalign and the gluing of the 2 pieces fixes 2/3 of those slices. The pins that "MMP" added help fix the last slice that isn't affected by the glued pieces. You obviously really don't understand what's going on with his mod.

sorry again sir. and you are right, everything you said about the mod is correct.

the two pieces glued remove the mislign of the 2/3 slice, which leave 1/3 slice to be misalign, the the 4 pin glued on the four center remove it.

then to break it down with my mod. you will apply every step of MMP's pin mod, except for the 4 pin which remove the 1/3 or 33% of misalignment, we replace that 4 pin with our mod, our tiny mod replace the 4 pin which causes some misalignemnt, with our mod gluing the center with two pieces already glued on it. will also remove the 1/3 misalignment that the 4 pin mod eliminates, it does the same but this time the misalignment on bad slice or on the other 1/3 slice will not encounter anymore.

we pattern it on 4x4 of es, the have a fix core, for the misaligment, and the first mod on twistypuzzle which glued three on the core is horrible but also pattern on 4x4 es. well actually you only need TWO to glued on the core not THREE as stated from the original and first mod of v6 on twistypuzzle.

we're trying to duplicate what es 4x4 did to their core but using only what V6 has. and we find it.

sorry if i make an understatement. just trying to be of help.

sorry again sir.

 

[mazei]

Amazingly enough, this might work, but only in theory that is thought up in my brain.

Let me try to explain what I think happens in this mod.

There is a reason the 6x6 needs to be broken in very well. When you glue the center piece to the screw, the screw will hold on to the core(since in my experience it is quite hard to turn it), thus when doing 3D, the 3U will hold on to the middle internal layer. The pin is there to make sure it holds on to it I guess.

I just wonder now, what about doing U?? I guess its going to be one heck of a stiff U layer.

That is all that I thought of but it might be wrong. In any case, this is a forum, which is a place we discuss, so I guess my point here is contributing to the discussion.

@TheJoker: Please make a video showing the mod and the mod in action. Until then, we all will be in doubt(or maybe disprove it right away but I'm keeping an open mind).

 

[TheJoker]

thanks, will give a video of this later at night, i'm on my work right now,

and you are right, screw is actually a rivet so it stuck on the core, so gluing the center to the screw will make the center not move at all, so every time you do a slice, doesn't matter which is U, 2U or 3U, the core will move, then the misalignment won't happend, just like ES 4x4, it will hold in it place no matter what you do.

this mod would benefited from those who mod the MMP's PIN MOD, as the misalignment can still occur, sometimes quite a lot, so to avoid it, we avoid using some heavy or algs turning on the BAD SLICE which holds the 1/3 of slice, the pin mod does it but sometimes it slip,

there is a downward with this mod than MMP's pin mod, the three outer slice involving the mod that the center is glue on screw, if you do slice let say U and 2U the core also moves unlike MMP's Pin mod it doesn't only on 3U the core moves. so it is not smooth like the other slice. but it is still smooth.

but since this mod only to correct the misalignment occuring once in a while of MMP's PIN MOD... this is recommended only to those who already mod their cube as the newly v6 will be having a hard time doing it... so i suggest break-in the cube first if it is new or never been mod before...

hope i help, and i will give a shot of video of this mod later, to prove this.

thanks a lot.

 

[masterofthebass]

Yeah, in the last post of TheJoker, I got that he was trying to glue the centerpiece from twisting. I don't know why he put a pin in the original description though, because glue would take care of it enough. Also, this would end up turning pretty badly, like Scott's original mod (which I did and it was horrific).

 

[jcuber]

I understand it, the only problem is, as those before me have said, that the U-layer would be very hard to turn. Congrats on getting rid of your addiction to ellipses...

 

[TheJoker]

thanks. yes the U layer will be having a downside. but in a loose cube, as we only test it to my v6 black which is very loose, at first the U is not that smooth, unlike scott's original mod, three side were horrible.

in this mod only the U, only for a little while, after some lube and some solves, the U slice begin to be smooth, but not that smooth with other face. it just you have a feel of something different doing some U and 2U. but if you are doing some fast trigger move like R U R' U', it barely noticeable but still there unlike the original PIN MOD very smooth.

that is what the original PIN MOD take an advantage, as it is only rotate the core on 3U. but there is some little downside, the pin mod slip sometimes, tolerable but hey we are all here to find some solution for v6. it is only a start as some other with knowledge can find a better solution. hope somebody can improve it over the U face downside and find some solution. that is why i don't suggest doing it on a new v6. and still no harm done and it is not hard doing this mod as it is very easy to revert to the original PIN MOD.

then on my side, loosing the U smoothness over misalignment, i will prefer the first.

well this is only for the misalignment, my v6 white still has the MMP's PIN MOD. we experiment on my v6 black which is very loose. MMP knows about this as i asked some advise over email.

i can't get the video upload to youtube. but then again all was said enough with this mod. as it was a tiny revision to the original PIN MOD.

thank you very much. hope i enlightened some idea and someone continue.

 

[mazei]

I think if you are not color neutral, you can put the mod on the layer that is your cross color to remove some of the effect. But it will still be a prob during edge pairing.

 

[JLarsen]

I actually got the pin mod to work, and I only have 3 pins in, and it has yet to misalign. So I'm going to leave it like that.

 

[veazer]

you're an engineer?

here is the breakdown... we have 6 side... the two pieces that glued on the center... and let say we put it on TOP (U)... then this eliminate misalignment on L R F B... so only U D is left... which 4/6... or 83%... or 2/3 which is 66.67%... correct me if i'm wrong...
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as to our calculation... remove the 17% which is 2/6 or 1/3 which 33.33%...

umm... (ellipse - lol) With all of your engineering knowlege i hope you realize that 4/6 and 2/3 = 66.6% and that 2/3 and 4/6 are the same exact thing, right?

EDIT: Also, 2/6 and 1/3 are the same.

 

[puzzlemaster]

here is the breakdown... we have 6 side... the two pieces that glued on the center... and let say we put it on TOP (U)... then this eliminate misalignment on L R F B... so only U D is left... which 4/6... or 83%... or 2/3 which is 66.67%... correct me if i'm wrong...

umm... (ellipse - lol) With all of your engineering knowlege i hope you realize that 4/6 and 2/3 = 66.6% and that 2/3 and 4/6 are the same exact thing, right?

Didn't even notice that lol..nice catch .

 

[TheJoker]

sorry. wrong calculation. the 83% is for 5/6. and the 17% is for 1/6.

mistype info. sorry for that. still human you know.

thank a lot. hehehehhehe.

 

[jcuber]

Can I ask why you always use caps for "PIN MOD"?

 

[Poke]

Can I ask why you always use caps for "PIN MOD"?

It's an abbreviation:
People
In
Need

May
Over-
Do
(Random, I know)

 

[Shamah02]

V6 Mod Help?

I'm currently modding my V6 with the full MMP mod, and I wanted to know if anyone has a fast way of cutting down the small bump on the smallest inner core pieces. This is by far been the hardest part of the mod to complete so far. Is this part of the mod really worthy and necessary?

 

[Logan]

Use a Dremel. Yes it is worth it. It makes it stop clicking, so you can do finger tricks, turn faster, get better times, ect.

 

[jcuber]

This is somewhat contriversial. Some leave slight bumps while others feel it is completely nessecary. Try the first option (relatively new thread around mentioning it somewhere) and if you don't like it, just finish completely modding it.

 

[Paul Wagner]

I'm currently modding my V6 with the full MMP mod, and I wanted to know if anyone has a fast way of cutting down the small bump on the smallest inner core pieces. This is by far been the hardest part of the mod to complete so far. Is this part of the mod really worthy and necessary?

It's not worth it because the pins are a pain in the ass to keep in there, just leave that the way it is. It only keeps the middle layer bumps it's really not that helpful.