US Nationals 2016 - July 29 - 31, Portland, Oregon

[Kit Clement]

Why not just make the feet cutoffs very strict? if people are taking 10 or more minutes to solve a cube with their feet, just make the hard cutoff 3-4 minutes. any dedicated feet solver could likely solve a cube in much less time than that.

Time is not the only difficulty in running feet.

 

[biscuit]

Dang it... It was looking like a Midwest Nats could happen, then no. Also, is there any possibility of having a nats not on a Sunday in the future? No? Oh well...

Yes I realize that people have to work so that's why it's on Sundays. Just makes it impossible for me to attend what ever day that is if I ever go to a nats due to not being able to do that kind of stuff on Sunday.

 

[Sajwo]

It's sad that feet won't be held only because organisers/delegate doesn't like them. I think it should be obligatory on such a big comps like Nats.

 

[biscuit]

It's sad that feet won't be held only because organisers/delegate doesn't like them. I think it should be obligatory on such a big comps like Nats.

While this is true to some extent, as Kit said, there are a lot of other issues with feet. I find it weird that it's not personally.

 

[AustinReed]

It's sad that feet won't be held only because organisers/delegate doesn't like them. I think it should be obligatory on such a big comps like Nats.

While I do agree with you, I find it kinda bizarre/annoying that like 90% of the talk of Nats being announced has been complaints. Like, come on guys.

 

[uyneb2000]

It's been five hours and the majority of what I've seen are complaints about location. To be honest, I'm kind of sick of it. There are many people who also have a disadvantage in distance, but they keep they're mouth shut and try to do their best to go. Oh, it's not in your backyard? That really sucks, doesn't it. Some people live in areas where competitions are so rare to come by. If it doesn't meet your personal needs, I'm sorry, but not everything goes your way. Speedcubing is a very privileged hobby, equipment is not cheap and it's to take it for granted. Please don't let that go to your head. In regards to feet, yeah, I kind of wish that there was, I don't really do it, but I feel for those that do want to. However, it would be a greater hassle, in my opinion, as it requires more set up than Big Blind or MBLD, as well as not being as popular as MBLD. Feet would take up space on a stage that, quite frankly, could be used for other more important events (again, sorry to those who do feet).

TL;DR: Don't get hyped over something only to get mad over what it was. It was already determined before the clues started coming, get over it.

 

[4Chan]

I'm definitely going!

I've been wanting to see Portland for a while!

 

[biscuit]

It's been five hours and the majority of what I've seen are complaints about location. To be honest, I'm kind of sick of it. There are many people who also have a disadvantage in distance, but they keep they're mouth shut and try to do their best to go. Oh, it's not in your backyard? That really sucks, doesn't it. Some people live in areas where competitions are so rare to come by. If it doesn't meet your personal needs, I'm sorry, but not everything goes your way. Speedcubing is a very privileged hobby, equipment is not cheap and it's to take it for granted. Please don't let that go to your head. In regards to feet, yeah, I kind of wish that there was, I don't really do it, but I feel for those that do want to. However, it would be a greater hassle, in my opinion, as it requires more set up than Big Blind or MBLD, as well as not being as popular as MBLD. Feet would take up space on a stage that, quite frankly, could be used for other more important events (again, sorry to those who do feet).

TL;DR: Don't get hyped over something only to get mad over what it was. It was already determined before the clues started coming, get over it.

I totally get what you're saying, but unless you count Nevada (which is stretching it) there have been two Midwest nats, one in 2007 and one in 2011. Maybe at one point the coasts had a ton more cubers, but not any more. This spring, a comp in Lawrence KS (about 45 minutes away from KC) drew in over 150 competitors. At the time, that was like the 47th biggest comp ever. And it's not like there's not big venues here in the Midwest. There are.

 

[AustinReed]

I totally get what you're saying, but unless you count Nevada (which is stretching it) there have been two Midwest nats, one in 2007 and one in 2011. Maybe at one point the coasts had a ton more cubers, but not any more. This spring, a comp in Lawrence KS (about 45 minutes away from KC) drew in over 150 competitors. At the time, that was like the 47th biggest comp ever. And it's not like there's not big venues here in the Midwest. There are.

You realize that the midwest has had two and the Pacific NW has had none? Having two Nats within a couple states from you is a lot more awesome than you may think it is.

Having a Nats/Worlds 8 hours from where I live was the most amazing thing ever and I am not expecting anything like that again within the near future. Travel the country a bit. They're not going to put Nats in the same place every year. Accept that.

 

[ottozing]

Oh no it's too far I can't go :^( /s

SO HYPED!

 

[SGTheCuber]

It's been five hours and the majority of what I've seen are complaints about location. To be honest, I'm kind of sick of it. There are many people who also have a disadvantage in distance, but they keep they're mouth shut and try to do their best to go. Oh, it's not in your backyard? That really sucks, doesn't it. Some people live in areas where competitions are so rare to come by. If it doesn't meet your personal needs, I'm sorry, but not everything goes your way. Speedcubing is a very privileged hobby, equipment is not cheap and it's to take it for granted. Please don't let that go to your head. In regards to feet, yeah, I kind of wish that there was, I don't really do it, but I feel for those that do want to. However, it would be a greater hassle, in my opinion, as it requires more set up than Big Blind or MBLD, as well as not being as popular as MBLD. Feet would take up space on a stage that, quite frankly, could be used for other more important events (again, sorry to those who do feet).

TL;DR: Don't get hyped over something only to get mad over what it was. It was already determined before the clues started coming, get over it.

I for one am HYPED that it's on the west coast this year. I live in Kodiak, for those of you who don't know, that's an island, in Alaska. We had a comp 7 years ago and that was it, and it was just between schools. I'm excited that I have some form of a chance going to a comp this year

 

[Mikel]

I totally get what you're saying, but unless you count Nevada (which is stretching it) there have been two Midwest nats, one in 2007 and one in 2011. Maybe at one point the coasts had a ton more cubers, but not any more. This spring, a comp in Lawrence KS (about 45 minutes away from KC) drew in over 150 competitors. At the time, that was like the 47th biggest comp ever. And it's not like there's not big venues here in the Midwest. There are.

You can't just have Nats in a venue. You need people to organize an event in the venue to make it happen.

 

[Skullush]

I totally get what you're saying, but unless you count Nevada (which is stretching it) there have been two Midwest nats, one in 2007 and one in 2011. Maybe at one point the coasts had a ton more cubers, but not any more. This spring, a comp in Lawrence KS (about 45 minutes away from KC) drew in over 150 competitors. At the time, that was like the 47th biggest comp ever. And it's not like there's not big venues here in the Midwest. There are.

To be fair, Lawrence Spring only had about 100. East coast comps (and west coast comps as well, probably, but I've never been there so I can't say first hand) have over 100 competitors very commonly, and if we didn't have registration caps, more than 200 competitors would be common. But that's besides the point. You can't just pick a city and have nats there just by snapping your fingers. Finding a cost-effective venue that's close enough to an airport, hotels, and a relatively strong cubing base, and booking it for 3+ days during the summer is not easy. There's a lot that goes into it. We're lucky to have this convention center to hold a large competition, if you ask me.

Although, I really think feet should be held at a US Nats, because it's a WCA event, and these competitions. I wouldn't plan on competing it honestly. But even if there's a hard cutoff of two minutes, which would mean less competitors, with 3-4 timers in the corner of the room, I think it should be held. Logistically speaking, is it really any worse than big BLD?

At any rate, I plan to go. So see you all in Portland!

 

[Tim Reynolds]

There are a lot of factors that go into where we hold it. We explicitly try to move it around as much as possible, and get a good geographic mix. We actively looked at venues in the middle of the country, and most of our ideas were not on a coast. But, none of those venues worked out, and we went with a venue we think will work very well (which is also in a geographic area that's never had Nationals also). Above all, we need a venue that will work for Nationals.

If you want Nationals to be closer to you, find event space with 15-20k+ square feet of space that would be suitable for Nationals, find out how much it costs and when we'd have to book it, and tell us about it. One person on this thread has already done so, which is great, because now we have somewhere to start when we start working on getting a venue for Nationals 2017. We definitely can't make any guarantees that we'll go with your suggestion, but we can guarantee that we won't pick a city that never got on our list in the first place.

 

[willtri4]

It's been five hours and the majority of what I've seen are complaints about location. To be honest, I'm kind of sick of it.

Easy for you to say.

 

[Torch]

Should be going. I've never been further west than Kansas City before, so I'm looking forward to seeing the West Coast!

 

[YouCubing]

It is quite possible.

 

[biscuit]

You realize that the midwest has had two and the Pacific NW has had none? Having two Nats within a couple states from you is a lot more awesome than you may think it is.

Having a Nats/Worlds 8 hours from where I live was the most amazing thing ever and I am not expecting anything like that again within the near future. Travel the country a bit. They're not going to put Nats in the same place every year. Accept that.

Yes. As a 14 year old, in a middle class family, I'm expected to be able to just convince my parents to take me to almost literally the farthest part of the country. Also, How is having nats in Las Vegas (according to google maps it's a 6 hour 15 minute drive) in 2012 and 2013 plus worlds 2013 not within 8 hours?

I'm not saying Portland is a bad place to hold Nats, I'm just saying that the Mid west is also up for a turn. In a Country as big as the US, no place will work for every one (although being in the center most big city would help would it not? ) And yes I, and many others have been sounding whiny. That's not a good thing.

You can't just have Nats in a venue. You need people to organize an event in the venue to make it happen.

Well the Nats organization team don't all live in Portland. I may be wrong, but isn't Kit the only one? I know I would be willing to help (1 comp under my belt and near-ish on announcing the second) I would think Zach (He's organized 2) would be willing to help, there is a parent in the area who has begun planning one if I have heard correctly who probably would, David Woner who has a ton of WCA experience (he has gone to 23 comps) I've looked into what it would take to get KC a Nats, and I'm aware of what goes into planning a comp.

But that's besides the point. You can't just pick a city and have nats there just by snapping your fingers. Finding a cost-effective venue that's close enough to an airport, hotels, and a relatively strong cubing base, and booking it for 3+ days during the summer is not easy. There's a lot that goes into it.

Although, I really think feet should be held at a US Nats, because it's a WCA event, and these competitions. I wouldn't plan on competing it honestly. But even if there's a hard cutoff of two minutes, which would mean less competitors, with 3-4 timers in the corner of the room, I think it should be held. Logistically speaking, is it really any worse than big BLD?

Again, I know what goes into a comp, and with very minimal searching, I found a venue that is very much large enough (if anything to big at 46,400 square feet, but it can be sectioned off into three rooms) It goes for $3500-$7500 if food is included + decoration company fees. It is connected to several hotels via the massive parking garages underneath them. Obviously availability could be an issue. I submitted the bid, so hopefully next year!

Yes feet logistics are way worse than any other event. At past Nat's they've had to buy new timers JUST for feet, then sell them later, it takes an entirely different set up meaning you have to stop what you're doing and set that up then take it down again, and it takes a while (last point is kinda cancelled out by time cut offs)

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

Yes. As a 14 year old, in a middle class family, I'm expected to be able to just convince my parents to take me to almost literally the farthest part of the country. Also, How is having nats in Las Vegas (according to google maps it's a 6 hour 15 minute drive) in 2012 and 2013 plus worlds 2013 not within 8 hours?

I'm not saying Portland is a bad place to hold Nats, I'm just saying that the Mid west is also up for a turn. In a Country as big as the US, no place will work for every one (although being in the center most big city would help would it not? ) And yes I, and many others have been sounding whiny. That's not a good thing.

ur not expected to do anything. you dont have to go. gee whiz.

 

[Matt11111]

could be an option, probably more likely one after that tho

I'll try to go to all of the Manhasset comps you do, but if the next one is say, less than 2 months after the Big Apple Cube Clash, I don't think I'll be able to go.