US Nationals 2009

[Cameron Almasi]

Wow i mess up and you guys make fun of me. Well im sorry, shelly could you possibly please help fix this? I really cant find my wca id. It doesnt show up when i look up my name. And plus i dont know how to add it now Please I beg you for help

 

[Cameron Almasi]

And also I will be attending nats, especially when its only 5 minutes from my home (EPGY took longer because my moms an idiot that doesnt need directons )

 

[Faz]

Wow i mess up and you guys make fun of me. Well im sorry, shelly could you possibly please help fix this? I really cant find my wca id. It doesnt show up when i look up my name. And plus i dont know how to add it now Please I beg you for help

If you disobey these instructions, under NO CIRCUMSTANCES will you ever be forgiven.

Deary me, what a shame

 

[aznfury]

(EPGY took longer because my moms an idiot that doesnt need directons )

May I refer you to a song sung by Mr. T? It goes by the name, Treat Your Mother Right. =P

 

[Dene]

a7x: I suggest less of the double posting, more of the reading of the instructions when you register for competitions. They have been very clear. It is not the responsibility of anyone else that you aren't thorough.

 

[Tyson]

So I should fill out the registration form, then email Shelley about payment? Sorry about asking so many questions, I just don't want to mess anything up, and want to make sure I get everything right.

Yes, go ahead and do that. If you fill out the registration form, we can see that you haven't paid, but we'll have your record. Once Shelley receives your money (at Berkeley competition I assume), we can mark you down that you paid and the registration will show up on the page.

As for Cameron, nope. You'll have to resign up. And if you forget the WCA ID the second time, you'll pay a third. The rule is specifically in place for PEOPLE LIKE YOU.

 

[moogra]

I suppose taht we can pay at Berkeley then. That's cool. I'll try to pay.

 

[Tyson]

I suppose taht we can pay at Berkeley then. That's cool. I'll try to pay.

Just make sure that you coordinate with the necessary people.

On a side note, Mr. Lester fails for registration by pulling an Almasi.

 

[clement]

It's not written explicitly, but if a "B Standard" exists, then all people that won't fit the B Standard won't qualify, even if there is place in the first round.

So if for exemple I solve a 4x4 BLD in 20 minutes, and there is still place in the first round, I still won't be able to qualify ? (Yes, I have some interest in the answer !)

 

[Tyson]

It's not written explicitly, but if a "B Standard" exists, then all people that won't fit the B Standard won't qualify, even if there is place in the first round.

So if for exemple I solve a 4x4 BLD in 20 minutes, and there is still place in the first round, I still won't be able to qualify ? (Yes, I have some interest in the answer !)

Hi Clement,

"B Standard: A competitor who performs better than the B Standard in the qualification round will have the opportunity to compete in the first round of the competition depending on availability in the event. After all A Standard competitors have been accepted, B Standard competitors will be ranked according to result and accepted into to event in order of ranking until all spots have been filled. "

So, that was actually the intent that if you do not meet the B Standard, even if there is room in the first round, you will not make it. The reason for this is to prevent the following situation, where, let's say in 4x4 BLD, there is room in the first round, but the next best competitor takes 45 minutes per solve.

I am open to changing the B Standards as B Standards are discretionary anyway. The B Standard doesn't really matter that much, as if there isn't room, we don't have to let someone in. But I hope you can see why that's there and what it's trying to prevent.

If you can recommend a way to prevent the above situation from happening, I would definitely be open to it. Obviously, if someone can BLD a 4x4 and they happen to get it in 16 minutes, it wouldn't be that bad to let them in the first round. But we can't have one person doing 3 solves that take one hour each.

 

[AvGalen]

It's not written explicitly, but if a "B Standard" exists, then all people that won't fit the B Standard won't qualify, even if there is place in the first round.

So if for exemple I solve a 4x4 BLD in 20 minutes, and there is still place in the first round, I still won't be able to qualify ? (Yes, I have some interest in the answer !)

Hi Clement,

"B Standard: A competitor who performs better than the B Standard in the qualification round will have the opportunity to compete in the first round of the competition depending on availability in the event. After all A Standard competitors have been accepted, B Standard competitors will be ranked according to result and accepted into to event in order of ranking until all spots have been filled. "

So, that was actually the intent that if you do not meet the B Standard, even if there is room in the first round, you will not make it. The reason for this is to prevent the following situation, where, let's say in 4x4 BLD, there is room in the first round, but the next best competitor takes 45 minutes per solve.

I am open to changing the B Standards as B Standards are discretionary anyway. The B Standard doesn't really matter that much, as if there isn't room, we don't have to let someone in. But I hope you can see why that's there and what it's trying to prevent.

If you can recommend a way to prevent the above situation from happening, I would definitely be open to it. Obviously, if someone can BLD a 4x4 and they happen to get it in 16 minutes, it wouldn't be that bad to let them in the first round. But we can't have one person doing 3 solves that take one hour each.

Some Possible solutions (combining might be useful)
* A total maximum time. So for 4x4x4_blind you might give a total of 60 minutes. If the first attempt takes 59 minutes, the next two attempts should be done in 30 seconds each. Realistically that means that that person won't do the other 2 attempts
* Solve required. So for 3x3x3_blind if the first 2 attempts are DNF you won't get a third attempt

 

[Tyson]

Hi Arnaud,

I will look into it now. I'm trading right now, so I can't actually devote my full attention to thinking about those numbers, but I intend to manipulate qualifications so Clement will have 3 solves for 4x4 BLD. The idea really is that I want someone competing in 4x4 BLD to be serious about it. You don't get to learn the night before, and try your first success in competition. That's just a waste of everyone's time.

If you come from France, and you are serious about 4x4 BLD, you will get 3 solves. But I'll look into it later.

-Tyson

 

[AvGalen]

Hi Arnaud,

I will look into it now. I'm trading right now, so I can't actually devote my full attention to thinking about those numbers, but I intend to manipulate qualifications so Clement will have 3 solves for 4x4 BLD. The idea really is that I want someone competing in 4x4 BLD to be serious about it. You don't get to learn the night before, and try your first success in competition. That's just a waste of everyone's time.

If you come from France, and you are serious about 4x4 BLD, you will get 3 solves. But I'll look into it later.

-Tyson

Sure, that sounds completely fair to me

 

[clement]

I understand perfectly the reasons of this system, and as you say, B standards can be modified.

I just find surprising to have qualifications for 4x4, 5x5 bld and multi. I hope that we will see a non-empty final of 5x5 bld !

Also, some A/B Standards are stange, but I think it's regarding the US level. I think everyone can have a sub-30 average of clock in about 30 minutes of practice, but getting a sub-40 average of square-1 is much more difficult !

In general, I think that for side events, Magic, Pyraminx and Clock A/B Standards are easy, and that Square-1, 6x6, 7x7, 4x4 and 5x5 are hard.

... and I saw that the 4x4 A/B Standards have been modified, but not the 5x5, so under 30 minutes for 4x4, but 20 minutes for the 5x5

 

[Tyson]

I understand perfectly the reasons of this system, and as you say, B standards can be modified.

I just find surprising to have qualifications for 4x4, 5x5 bld and multi. I hope that we will see a non-empty final of 5x5 bld !

Also, some A/B Standards are stange, but I think it's regarding the US level. I think everyone can have a sub-30 average of clock in about 30 minutes of practice, but getting a sub-40 average of square-1 is much more difficult !

In general, I think that for side events, Magic, Pyraminx and Clock A/B Standards are easy, and that Square-1, 6x6, 7x7, 4x4 and 5x5 are hard.

... and I saw that the 4x4 A/B Standards have been modified, but not the 5x5, so under 30 minutes for 4x4, but 20 minutes for the 5x5

Those numbers are just fillers until I figure it out.

 

[masterofthebass]

I hope that we will see a non-empty final of 5x5 bld !

Both Mike and Chris have pre-qualified

Also, some A/B Standards are stange, but I think it's regarding the US level. I think everyone can have a sub-30 average of clock in about 30 minutes of practice, but getting a sub-40 average of square-1 is much more difficult !

Look at the US rankings, sub 40 sq-1 is apparently easier than sub30 clock.

 

[Mike Hughey]

I hope that we will see a non-empty final of 5x5 bld !

Both Mike and Chris have pre-qualified

Also, some A/B Standards are stange, but I think it's regarding the US level. I think everyone can have a sub-30 average of clock in about 30 minutes of practice, but getting a sub-40 average of square-1 is much more difficult !

Look at the US rankings, sub 40 sq-1 is apparently easier than sub30 clock.

Apparently there's something in the air here that makes clock very difficult to solve.

And at the moment it looks like Clément might be the only person who qualifies for multiBLD! (Especially if everyone does as well at qualifiers as we did at the Ohio Open!)

 

[Tyson]

I hope that we will see a non-empty final of 5x5 bld !

Both Mike and Chris have pre-qualified

Also, some A/B Standards are stange, but I think it's regarding the US level. I think everyone can have a sub-30 average of clock in about 30 minutes of practice, but getting a sub-40 average of square-1 is much more difficult !

Look at the US rankings, sub 40 sq-1 is apparently easier than sub30 clock.

Apparently there's something in the air here that makes clock very difficult to solve.

And at the moment it looks like Clément might be the only person who qualifies for multiBLD! (Especially if everyone does as well at qualifiers as we did at the Ohio Open!)

Can you guys maybe suggest some standards? You are more versed in big cube BLD than I am.

 

[Bryan]

Perhaps for big cubes BLD, you would want to have a qualification time, but if you don't meet that, you need to have sub-10 BLD on 3x3x3 in order to compete in those events. Much like how some people have used 5x5x5 speed times to determine if someone is going to be wasting their time on 6x6x6 and 7x7x7 or not.

 

[shelley]

I would say 3x3 BLD is a less reliable indicator of big cube BLD than 5x5 is for 6x6 and 7x7 though. Plenty of people have gotten pretty decent at 3x3 BLD but would still be wasting their time on 4x4 and 5x5 BLD.

Considering only 8 people have successfully completed a 5x5 BLD solve in the history of WCA competitions, is it necessary to have more than one round? Remember last year, only one person had a successful solve.