Too old to be fast?

When you are four years old, you aren't concerned about "working hard." Have you seen the video of a 3 year old japanese girl solving it in 90 seconds? I realize kids like learning puzzles too, and more than have the capability, but at three years old that's something your parents more than helped you with.

And "nartural smartness?" People are born geniuses. The simple fact that asian culture shows to be of a higher education, especially at a younger age, alone can set apart why you will see smarter kids at that age in those countries rather than places like the US. To put it frankly (and yes, I do live in the US, in little ol' indiana), the education system here fails miserably in most cases, and not enough people realize what intelligence can do. Too many people have fallen into "robot mode" and it's just to grind out life. You've got a job to do, do it. Junior and Senior high school anymore is a joke in the US, and anymore people view it as something they have to do. Parents have been telling us since we were young that we have to do it, instead of letting us reap the benefit(s) from the higher education. Which is why, in my opinion, the US has fallen in average intelligence.

This is so not meant to start a flame war, by the way.

And too smart, was more of a joke, instead of anything serious. But certainly you've heard the jokes "man he must be smart he's asian" or whenever a "really smart guy" is referenced, it's either Einstein or an asian that's thought of, at least from my part of town.

I will most certainly agree that you will find fast people from all over the world. My statement was a joke stated at the fact more than half the names on the "young" tables are asian decent names. Not just due to the fact the best times are held by those names.

I can even help your argument out a little, Erik Akkerisdijk is dutch, since he's the current WR holder, add that with the fact he's dutch, man, dutch people must be smart! I see your point, but that honestly wasn't where I was going with it. It was a light joke thrown due to the amount of names on that table.
 
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I can even help your argument out a little, Erik Akkerisdijk is dutch, since he's the current WR holder, add that with the fact he's dutch, man, dutch people must be smart! I see your point, but that honestly wasn't where I was going with it. It was a light joke thrown due to the amount of names on that table.

Well the Asian people I know, my wife Maria and a lot of Indonesian cubers, I see one thing in common - dedication- For sure this does not hold for the youngsters, for the youngsters I think it is the fact do the same thing as your parents...
 
I can even help your argument out a little, Erik Akkerisdijk is dutch, since he's the current WR holder, add that with the fact he's dutch, man, dutch people must be smart! I see your point, but that honestly wasn't where I was going with it. It was a light joke thrown due to the amount of names on that table.

That's because Asian people are about 1/3 of the world population.

Mathematics? Probability?

Asians just work hard, and that's all there is to it. Seeing a 6 year old girl doing sub2 on megaminx just makes me sad. At that time, I was playing football (soccer for US people) all day long and just spend time with my childhood friends. Childhood memories and childhood happiness affects the person's whole life. Now, those things are apparently under control of the parents. Now every child is being pressured to succeed at a very young age.

Some of you might have felt some George Carlin in here :D
 
What is Smart without Lucky ?

What is Lucky without Motivation?

What is Motivation without chance?

All you need is M2 ( Money and Motivation ) for cubing.

No money , you can't buy cube(s) .

No money, you can't go to the competition(s).

No Motivation , you can't get a good solve(s).

No Motivation(s) , you can't make money :)
 
What is Smart without Lucky ?
What's that supposed to mean? I don't agree with this.

there is a lot of research that's been done with respect to age differences and reaction time
This is why it is so important to work on lookahead - you do not need reaction time or anything, just confidence in yourself (so you don't need to make sure that you did the right moves) and the ability to find things while the cube is moving. If you watch videos of people who are getting their best averages, yes, it looks crazy fast... but try asking someone who averages 10-15 seconds to do a slow turning solve. You can turn quite slowly (slower than my grandparents move while knitting or typing :p) and still get consistent sub-20 solves, if your lookahead is good enough. If your goal is to be sub-10 seconds then you need to turn very fast, but if you are trying to break the 20 second barrier you should be working on smooth solves, good lookahead, and few pauses.
 
there is a lot of research that's been done with respect to age differences and reaction time http://biae.clemson.edu/bpc/bp/Lab/110/reaction.htm#Age
Sadly I don't have the time and access to read the research, but I suspect it doesn't mean much. I once participated in an experiment that somehow involved measuring reaction times, I think something was shown on the computer screen and I had to press the appropriate button quickly. Something like that. Does that sound like cubing? Well, yeah, but I didn't get to practice. Was there a study that let people practice a lot first? For months or years, like it can take in cubing? Plus, analyzing the average person (which I think most studies do) doesn't tell you what's possible, only what's average. Maybe old people tend to have slower reactions, but even if that's true, maybe that's cause they just became lazy at some point in their life. How fast do you think the average let's say 70 year old can run 100 meters? Does that prevent one from doing it in 12.77 seconds?
http://www.world-masters-athletics.org/records/outdoor-men

And again... 35? Pfft.
 
Sadly I don't have the time and access to read the research, but I suspect it doesn't mean much. I once participated in an experiment that somehow involved measuring reaction times, I think something was shown on the computer screen and I had to press the appropriate button quickly. Something like that. Does that sound like cubing? Well, yeah, but I didn't get to practice. Was there a study that let people practice a lot first? For months or years, like it can take in cubing? Plus, analyzing the average person (which I think most studies do) doesn't tell you what's possible, only what's average. Maybe old people tend to have slower reactions, but even if that's true, maybe that's cause they just became lazy at some point in their life.

The linked website did mention a few alternate explanations for the slower reaction times. One interesting one that I agreed with was that older people are often more cautious - a young person will be more likely to press something as soon as possible, whereas an older person might spend a little extra time to either make sure it's safe or to make sure they don't go too fast and accidentally hurt themselves (since older people have on average worse vision/dexterity/resistance to injury than very young people). It's also possible that, by simply taking the average, they neglected to notice that some older people might react slower because of age-related illness/loss of function - it's quite possible that completely healthy older people have the same reaction times as younger people, but just that a smaller percentage of old people are healthy.

(Of course, reaction time doesn't matter for cubing, and even for track and field it's not going to affect your times by much.)
 
When you are four years old, you aren't concerned about "working hard." Have you seen the video of a 3 year old japanese girl solving it in 90 seconds? I realize kids like learning puzzles too, and more than have the capability, but at three years old that's something your parents more than helped you with.

And "nartural smartness?" People are born geniuses. The simple fact that asian culture shows to be of a higher education, especially at a younger age, alone can set apart why you will see smarter kids at that age in those countries rather than places like the US.

And too smart, was more of a joke, instead of anything serious. But certainly you've heard the jokes "man he must be smart he's asian" or whenever a "really smart guy" is referenced, it's either Einstein or an asian that's thought of, at least from my part of town.

I will most certainly agree that you will find fast people from all over the world. My statement was a joke stated at the fact more than half the names on the "young" tables are asian decent names. Not just due to the fact the best times are held by those names.


I don't know why people continue to think that the education system in asia is better. In China, SE Asia and even Japan, classes are overcrowded and there are the same educational problems as most western countries.

Most people look at asians in their (western) country and fail to realize that they are often immigrants or children of immigrants. New immigrants always have it hard and need to work a lot to get anywhere. Immigrants often have big dreams for their children and push them because they have the opportunities that they didn't have.

Do you really have to be intelligent to be a good cuber? It is mainly pattern recognition and there is not really much creative intelligence involved at all.
As most people on this board would say "practice!"

Often immigrants and their children also find it harder to get involved in sports or girl chasing etc. so they tend to pursue things they can do alone like cubing.

I think everyone is born with the same capacity. In every race there are those who have potential and those with somewhat limited capacity. How far you go from then is purely an environmental factor.
 
I don't think you have to be intelligent to be a good cuber. In fact I think the more intelligent you are the worse your time. I can test this every day...
 
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