Time to learn the fridrich alogos??

[Karthik]

Hi all!!
I got an sub 2-min avg with a very bad cube yesterday!! So I thought of learning the Fridrich OLL algos and there are 57 of them!!
So I just wanted to ask what is the best way to learn these algos and with an hours practice everyday how long will it take to learn all the algos??
Regards
Karthik

 

[AvGalen]

Don't start with the Fridrich OLL's! Start with learning F2L and PLL. If you have that down, start learning OLL's in groups of related algs (mirrors/inverses).
F2L: 41 algs
OLL: 57 algs
PLL: 21 algs
If you can do 20 algs in a week you would need at least 6 weeks of dedicated practice. More realistic would be 1 alg each day, so 4 months for everything.

Practice is more important than learning many algs. I can do 27 on average with only 29 algs. Jo?l van Noort can do sub 20 with a beginners method. One of the best tips I have ever heard was "don't stop", which means execution (first of every single alg, later of the entire solve) should not contain any pauses

 

[Karthik]

Thanx for the suggestion AvGalen!
I think I will start learning the F2L algs right away.

 

[Sniph]

Ugh, I see people like you eager to learn more algs, and that's great, but in reality, with a beginners method, you should be able to solve the cube in under 1 minute or even less. Speed is something that comes with practice, and then more algs. I was able to average 35 seconds with Jasmines beginner method, and I didn't learn any pll until then. So I say don't learn anything yet, if you want to get fast, just master your current method.

 

[pjk]

Sniph and others: Well, I could go both ways. When I started cubing, I got down to around 50 seconds before I switched to Fridrich. However, I wished I had started earlier. IMO, it is never too early to start learning it.

 

[Sniph]

I agree, but alot of people want to be, say sub 1 minute, so they learn more algs... But really, you can sub 1 with pretty much any method with a little practice. Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

 

[pjk]

Yes, I know what you mean. Sub-1 min is very easy, and people recommend you know more. However, learning and understand Fridrich is pretty easy to do, so I can see people starting to learn that as early as possible.

anyway, Karthik, if you need help, feel free to ask.

 

[Fred]

So do you understand why all your PLLs and OLLs work?

 

[Karthik]

Hi all
I think I will spend some time learning the algos though I will spend a greater amount of time practising the my current method.This way I think I will slowly be able to incorporate the newly learnt algos in to my method.

@PJK-BTW do you understand all the Fridrich algos??!!
Actually I can do in under 1:30 min but I dont really fully under the algos I use.Can you just tell how do you visualize the algos.
Thanx

 

[AvGalen]

I think everyone should understand their F2L algs, but OLL and PLL algs are not worth understanding. OLL and PLL should just be executed blindingly fast. (unless you want to learn speed-blindfolded, but hardly anyone does that)

 

[Erik]

yah, F2L = understanding. OLL = just do it. PLL = go as fast as you can.
Sub-1 should be not too hard when you got a decent cube and a bit of fingertricks.

 

[pjk]

Karthik: I'd recommend you read through a few of the posts here in this beginners forum. There are lots of sources for learning Fridrich F2L. Good luck.

 

[Arakron]

Originally posted by Erik@Mar 30 2007, 09:52 AM
yah, F2L = understanding. OLL = just do it. PLL = go as fast as you can.
Sub-1 should be not too hard when you got a decent cube and a bit of fingertricks.

Sub-1 is not difficult with beginner method and a storebought cube. You don't need to learn Fridrich anything for that.

 

[dChan]

I used a 141 move system till I hit 1:08 then I started learning the keyhole F2L and the 4 step LL. Then my times dropped fast. Now I use a 3-look LL and Keyhole/ZBF2L.

 

[AvGalen]

I learned/developed a really basic method based on commutators 20 years ago (Cross, First layer, Second layer, EO, EP, CP, CO) and with the vaseline-lubed-cube I owned back then I could get to about 1:05 on average.

Last year I got back into cubing and learned a much better beginners method (Cross, First layer, Second layer, EO, CO, CP, EP) and bought a Rubiks DIY. I broke 1 minute on average after 2 days.

It took me about one month to learn keyhole and a no-repeating 4-look last layer and that got me to 45 seconds.

Now I am still using that same method (to busy helping others, 5x5x5) but I am averaging 27 seconds.

If you want to get sub 1, any beginners method+practice will do.
If you want to get really fast, you should learn a lot of algs and practice A LOT.

 

[EthanAceServe]

So, I can solve anywhere between 29 to 45 seconds with the Beginner's Method, how long would it take for me to learn each algorithm?