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Thoughts about the BH method

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You are, according to yourself, turning very slow, and I'm obviusly much slower than you. Still, you say that I'm doing pretty well! That's kind of you! :)
Sorry, I guess that might have looked bad. I said you were doing pretty well compared to me, not that you're doing pretty well. You have some sets that you can do as fast as I do, and it looks like you just need to work on the others to get them as fast. Since I'm slow turning, and I've been practicing them all for a long time now (8 months or so), I'm guessing that means that with a little work, you'll probably be about 1:00 on all of them and blow right past me. :)
 

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I can do most of them between 1:30 and 2:00, so it sounds like you're doing pretty well compared to me. I'm terribly slow turning, though.
You are, according to yourself, turning very slow, and I'm obviusly much slower than you. Still, you say that I'm doing pretty well! That's kind of you! :)
You must understand the difference between a Master and an Apprentice!
 
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Practised Corner commutators, by doing all of the threecycles (21x18=378).
I did them in sets of 18, by doing URB>UFR>[all of them], and so on. The average was about 2:35, with the highest at 3:03 (BLU), and the lowest at 1:36 (UBL).

How's that compared to you? How low should I be able to come?
I have yesterday and today practised several hours on this exclusively, and I just recently broke the 1:25-barrier, in average! I know, that means that I'm now better in average, than my best 2-3 days ago. I will do some of them again, because since I always do the one with my worst time, I've done the UBR->BLU-set like 12 times, and UBR->ULB-set only twice. That means that I can still lower my times by 20-30% on some of them, like 3-4.

Highest time 1:31, lowest 1:07, but half of them are over 1:25.

I'm very satisfied with my on results on this exercise, but I don't know how much it will help on actual solves. Anyway, it can't hurt my recognition!

Anyone know another exercise that's good?
 

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Heh - I was right. You did blow right past me.

Nice job!

And I do suspect it will save you several seconds on an average solve, which is pretty good return for such a small time investment.

I should really do a little more of this - I suspect I can get down to a 1:30 average if I work hard on it for a week or so. If you can do it in a few hours, I can probably almost do it in a week. :)
 
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I should really do a little more of this - I suspect I can get down to a 1:30 average if I work hard on it for a week or so. If you can do it in a few hours, I can probably almost do it in a week. :)
Just to clarify, since this two days were off at school, I think that we're talking 10-12 hours, and it's probably only when you're young you have that amount of time.

Also, I think that in 5-6 days, I will have lost a lot, and my average would probably be 2-2,5 minutes again.
 

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Also, I think that in 5-6 days, I will have lost a lot, and my average would probably be 2-2,5 minutes again.
No, you will lose a little if you don't use it but if you then use it in normal solves (not the crazy kind of practise you do now :)) it will speedily come back.

Edit: And I thought that I practised a lot :) :)
 
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Also, I think that in 5-6 days, I will have lost a lot, and my average would probably be 2-2,5 minutes again.
No, you will lose a little if you don't use it but if you then use it in normal solves (not the crazy kind of practise you do now :)) it will speedily come back.

Edit: And I thought that I practised a lot :) :)
Haha, usually I'm not practising near that much. I'm still not that routined that I can make solve after solve, so in 5-6 solves I have to not blind more for a couple of hours.
 

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Also, I think that in 5-6 days, I will have lost a lot, and my average would probably be 2-2,5 minutes again.
No, you will lose a little if you don't use it but if you then use it in normal solves (not the crazy kind of practise you do now :)) it will speedily come back.

Edit: And I thought that I practised a lot :) :)
Haha, usually I'm not practising near that much. I'm still not that routined that I can make solve after solve, so in 5-6 solves I have to not blind more for a couple of hours.
Oh, so then your memorization approach just needs work. With a good memorization approach, you should be able to do them all day long.
 

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Also, I think that in 5-6 days, I will have lost a lot, and my average would probably be 2-2,5 minutes again.
No, you will lose a little if you don't use it but if you then use it in normal solves (not the crazy kind of practise you do now :)) it will speedily come back.

Edit: And I thought that I practised a lot :) :)
Haha, usually I'm not practising near that much. I'm still not that routined that I can make solve after solve, so in 5-6 solves I have to not blind more for a couple of hours.
I understand this as I was like that too. There are no magical trick, train hard :). If you use method of loci, then build many of them. I use 24 "rooms" designed for 1 cube each (or a kind of piece for big cubes). This is very useful for a lot of bld in a single day. I had to use 16 in my last/only competition - also it appears (just calculated it now) I will need 27 for Washington DC:eek:
 
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Also, I think that in 5-6 days, I will have lost a lot, and my average would probably be 2-2,5 minutes again.
No, you will lose a little if you don't use it but if you then use it in normal solves (not the crazy kind of practise you do now :)) it will speedily come back.

Edit: And I thought that I practised a lot :) :)
Haha, usually I'm not practising near that much. I'm still not that routined that I can make solve after solve, so in 5-6 solves I have to not blind more for a couple of hours.
Oh, so then your memorization approach just needs work. With a good memorization approach, you should be able to do them all day long.
How do you mean? What do I do "wrong"=How can I advance? I'm using partially Loci, partially audible memo, with letters.

I understand this as I was like that too. There are no magical trick, train hard :). If you use method of loci, then build many of them. I use 24 "rooms" designed for 1 cube each (or a kind of piece for big cubes). This is very useful for a lot of bld in a single day. I had to use 16 in my last/only competition - also it appears (just calculated it now) I will need 27 for Washington DC:eek:
Right now I'm using only two routes, but with 12 stations on each, with four letters on every station. On Cubing Day in Stockholm, I used every station 4-5 times.
 

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How do you mean? What do I do "wrong"=How can I advance? I'm using partially Loci, partially audible memo, with letters.
If you're using Loci, do you use images made out of your letters? If so, you might get a big improvement by using prepared images for your letters (if you're not already doing that - I can't remember if you've ever said you do or not). If you use a two-letters-per-image scheme, you'll find you don't reuse the images that often, and it really helps me do lots of BLD in one day without problems. I know I really saw an improvement after I memorized my letter pair image list. But I should mention that Tim Habermaas uses just a single letter per image and gets great results too, so it doesn't have to go that way. Tim can do big bunches of BLD solves in a row with no problem as well.

Actually, I don't bother with loci when I do 3x3x3 BLD; for me it's just to small to need it. I just imagine my stories with images without bothering with locations to put them, and it's enough. I only memorize edges with images; I do corners with just the words "verbally" repeated in my head. The corners never cause me problems to do over and over again - the verbal memory clears itself almost instantly from solve to solve. The images caused me problems for a while, but with practice I've gotten where they don't bother me much either.

I don't know - maybe it really is mainly just practice, like Micael says. Practice doing averages of 25 in a single sitting, if you have the time. I'm pretty sure yoruichi would think that was too short to even count as an actual practice session. :) (Then again, that would only take him a half hour to do.)
 
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I have posted my current memo-method in the memo-method thread instead, since it kind of feels that I dragged this one out of it's topic.

http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?p=306921#post306921

I've thought about having fixed letterpair-images, but I haven't yet, because I'm worried that it would just give me bad/boring word-pairs (when combined), who's harder to remember. I have also thought on doing corners with visual/tapping, but I'm afraid of sucking with it!
 

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I have posted my current memo-method in the memo-method thread instead, since it kind of feels that I dragged this one out of it's topic.

http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?p=306921#post306921

I've thought about having fixed letterpair-images, but I haven't yet, because I'm worried that it would just give me bad/boring word-pairs (when combined), who's harder to remember. I have also thought on doing corners with visual/tapping, but I'm afraid of sucking with it!
Well, it seems like it's a pretty good approach, and I know some of the best people use similar ones. So maybe it really is just practice.
 

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I read your document quite quickly as I was short of time, but I didn't see any ideas on breaking down 5-style and making it more manageable. That's essential otherwise it just remains an unrealistic pipedream. The doc just seems to describe how hard it is and illustrate the theoretical benefits should anyone ever actually learn it, but that's not particularly helpful to learning it. Did I miss something?
 
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Are there 3style reconstruction with floating buffers to compare with 5style? They are the biggest step forward in recent years in 3bld.
is there somewhere i can read about how to floating buffers? it sounds like both a simple and a bad idea, so im thinking im missing a way to make it consistent, the "step forward" you are tlakin about
 
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Are there 3style reconstruction with floating buffers to compare with 5style? They are the biggest step forward in recent years in 3bld.
not sure what you mean by the “to compare with 5style” part but there are a few places you can find walkthroughs/recons with floating. Off the top of my head I can think of some of Jake klassens walkthroughs, Josh Weimer has a vid, and then just going on Facebook in the bld support group lots of people can help you with stuff there :)
 

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not sure what you mean by the “to compare with 5style” part but there are a few places you can find walkthroughs/recons with floating.
Sorry I was reffering to @abunickabhi document. He compares 3style solves and 5cycle solves taking number of moves. Sorry for not being clear in this point.

is there somewhere i can read about how to floating buffers? it sounds like both a simple and a bad idea, so im thinking im missing a way to make it consistent, the "step forward" you are tlakin about
Mostly via FB and yt. For example Jake Klassen's channel. I dont do floating.
 
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