Things that you hate, but almost everyone loves

I agree this should not be an argument about religion thread, but I at least, do not believe my arguing skills in this area are sub par. In fact, I would say they are sup par if I may.

. Something cannot come from Nothing, therefore something had to have started everything.


The Cosmological argument is not a sup par argument.
 
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Sooo, not to be rude (although there is no non rude way to say this), but I believe that you have the wrong definition of ultimatum as you use it is part A.


As to the claim that scientists have yet to find a creator, I would simply reply obviously! How on earth are they going to witness the creator in action now. Who is to say that even if they could go back to then that the creator has any solid form i.e. it could just be energy. The point of my claim that something cannot come from nothing is that there is no way for nothingness to burst into somethingness without some form of catalyst. It may be possible, but the chances that it are seem miniscule to me and the chances that something created it (thunk Occams Razor) seem more likely. If you ask anyone who studies the big bang, the greatest mystery of it all is how it started. No one can know for sure, but all we know is that something had to have created the initial ball of mass and energy in order for the Big Bang to occur.

Finally, I would like to say that I in no way propose that the judeo-christian God exists as we think of it but rather that it seem highly likely that a being exists outside of our universe who have powers we cannot even imagine. I believe this being likely created our universe i.e. it is the creator. That is all that I was proposing.

I agree with most that you say there and I know that I didn't use ULTIMATUM correctly. With scientist not finding a creator wasn't the point that I was trying to get across but instead that scientist haven't found any substance or whatever that is eternal. Meaning that everything we know have a start and end to it but there need to be something out there that doesn't have a start and an end to it but is eternal instead.Also with 'witnessing the creator in action' my point that I was trying to get across is for science to be science it needs to be observes otherwise it is just a theory. So far scientist haven't created something out of nothing.

Being a Christian I do believe that a god does exist. I have recently listen to some conferences lately about these sought of thing which has interested me a lot.

Also another point I would say is that scientist have never been able to create living at of non living which is one of the things evolutionist say happen.

Sorry for taking this thread off topic a bit.
Jskyler91: do you want to continue this discussion through pms?
 
I hate that religious people always seem to come out on top in religious debates because atheists don't care enough.
I'm not sure if this is uncommon.
 
Back to the subject of this thread:

Fridrich method, reduction, HTM counting (I don't think it's necessary to explain a zillionth time why)
Facebook (I really don't get why so many people have an obsession with that site. It sucks for many reasons.)
I would have put soccer in the list but given the large number of people who have already mentioned it it doesn't qualify as "thing everyone loves" anymore :p
 
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I remember a few years ago when I first saw 'Charlie the Unicorn', I found it pathetic and most of my friends thought it was really funny.

On a side note:
Religion shouldn't have been brought up in the first place, I don't see how "almost everyone loves" religion (or atheism for that matter).
This is not an Afghanistan forum where ~99.9% or the population is Islam. The thread title doesn't seem valid for religion/atheism/agnosticism/
Pascal's W... or whatever it might be.

I used to be a keen debater against religion, then I learnt how to respect other people's opinions. I also learnt that regardless of your views, religious debates on this forum get nowhere. :p
 
I also learnt that regardless of your views, religious debates on this forum get nowhere. :p

I think this is true for anywhere on the internet. :p

On-topic: I hate my Guhong; Now that I have Zhanchi, I realize how bad my Guhong really was.
 
People who hate twilight,
Arguing meaningless matters (like religion) with people who are not in a position to make any significant changes due to their opinions on the meaningless matter (Like almost everyone ever),
David Guetta,
Boy Bands,
FruityLoops,
Weetabix without half a kilo of sugar on top,
6x6,
Lynx deodorant (Axe in the US) (still use it though on occasion),
Warm rooms when trying to sleep,
Chinos,
Bananas,
Boiled Eggs.
 
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