The Roux "Example Solve" Game!

edward_9x · Dec 8, 2024

tsmosher said:
R F L2 B2 D L2 F2 D2 F2 R2 F2 D' R2 D' L D2 B U L' D2 F2

I'll hide the solve

Setup

R F L2 B2 D L2 F2 D2 F2 R2 F2 D' R2 D' L D2 B U L' D2 F2

Moves

F2 r' (E y) //Cross
L U' L2' U L //P1
R U' R' y R U R' //P2
U' L' U' (M' x') //P3
U2 R U' f R //P4
S' R U R' U' F' //LL cancel

No Roux so no next

tsmosher · Jan 16, 2025

tsmosher said:
NEXT: R F L2 B2 D L2 F2 D2 F2 R2 F2 D' R2 D' L D2 B U L' D2 F2

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Setup

R F L2 B2 D L2 F2 D2 F2 R2 F2 D' R2 D' L D2 B U L' D2 F2

Moves

x2 y'
U' S' u r' u S2 u // FB (7)
U' R U2' M2' U' r' U2 R2 U' r' // SB (10/17)
U2' R U' r' F R' F' r // CLL (8/25)
U M2' U M U' M U' M' U2' M U2' M2' U' // LSE (13/38)

NEXT: L2 B2 D B2 U' L2 U' F2 U2 R2 D F D L F' R' B' L2 F2 R

Jupilogy · Feb 18, 2025

@tsmosher I am curious about why you decided to do the U at the beginning of LSE. I see that it gives a better solution regarding LR pieces being easier to insert into the LR slots, but I wouldn't have thought of that myself. Overall very nice solve. Loved the second block especially.

tsmosher said:
NEXT: L2 B2 D B2 U' L2 U' F2 U2 R2 D F D L F' R' B' L2 F2 R

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Setup

L2 B2 D B2 U' L2 U' F2 U2 R2 D F D L F' R' B' L2 F2 R

Moves

y
U' B2 F2 x R U' R U' B // FB, 8
R U' M' U r' R' U2 r U r' // SB, 18
R U' L' U R' U' L // CMLL, 25
M2 U M U M U' M2 U' F2 M2 F2 M2 // LSE, 37

Next: R2 F2 L R2 B2 R' D2 U2 R D2 R' F L2 U2 L2 B' L' U L2

tsmosher · Feb 20, 2025

Jupilogy said:
@tsmosher I am curious about why you decided to do the U at the beginning of LSE.

I am completely color-neutral.

I typically look for a situation where DL is solved or very close to solved. In the orientation I solved it in, DBL and DFL are already solved.

Oftentimes in these types of situations, U* S* (or something similar) solves the DLS edge in between the 2 corners.

It's been over a month since I did this solve, but I imagine my thought process went something like...

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Setup

R F L2 B2 D L2 F2 D2 F2 R2 F2 D' R2 D' L D2 B U L' D2 F2

Moves

x2 y'

U' // align red/blue edge with red center (moving red/blue edge off the S slice as well)
S' // move red/green edge out of its horrible location in the scramble
u // create a red edge line
r' // align the red edge line so that it's ready to be inserted into FB with u2'

// the only problem here is that-- if I insert the red edge line-- DLS won't be solved. so...
u // move the red edge line off the S slice and out of the way
S2 // solve red/white edge
u // what a mess lol

Jupilogy said:
I see that it gives a better solution regarding LR pieces being easier to insert into the LR slots, but I wouldn't have thought of that myself.

lol. If it made my solution more efficient in any way, that was dumb luck.

Jupilogy said:
Overall very nice solve. Loved the second block especially.

Thanks.

Jupilogy said:
Next: R2 F2 L R2 B2 R' D2 U2 R D2 R' F L2 U2 L2 B' L' U L2

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Setup

R2 F2 L R2 B2 R' D2 U2 R D2 R' F L2 U2 L2 B' L' U L2

Moves

b2' R' S2 // FB (3)
r U' r2' U2' R' U R U' R U2' R' U' R // SB (13/16)
U' R' U' R U' R' // (cancelled into) CLL (6/22)
// help, Pyjam! I am about to butcher LSE.
U' M U M' U M' U' M // EOLR (8/30)
U' M2' U M' U2' M' U2' M r' // M2 + 4c & untransform (9/39)

NEXT: L' B U2 R B2 R' D2 L2 R F2 U2 L2 F2 R' B L F D R2 B F'

Jupilogy · Feb 22, 2025

Thanks, I do sometimes do that kind of block but don't like doing S moves personally. Normally I consider it when I see DFL and DBL are solved relatively to each other, and then I actually go for the solution if I see it's not a massive pain which it sometimes is. Like, when you have to move the corners out the way to put the edges in, I normally skip it.

Uh, but aside from that I was asking about LSE ^_^' because I would have gone straight for the M2.

Here's a shorter EOLR solution which is the only one I know for this case.

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U' M' U2 M U M // shorter EOLR
U' M2 U' M' U2 M' U2 r' // shorter rest as well (36)
x'

And, here's a solution without fancy EOLR which is probably what I'd normally do because I'm a basic b*****. Which in this case turns out to be just as few moves :3 It may be more moves depending on the way you do EO. I got lucky with l4e.

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U2 M' U' M' U' M' U2 M // EO then LR (no fancy EOLR) same num of moves
U' M2 U M U2 r' // yah (36)
x'

tsmosher said:
NEXT: L' B U2 R B2 R' D2 L2 R F2 U2 L2 F2 R' B L F D R2 B F'

Twizzle link

Setup

L' B U2 R B2 R' D2 L2 R F2 U2 L2 F2 R' B L F D R2 B F'

Moves

y' x U' M2 D R U' x // fb, 5
U2 r' U r U2 r' U' r' U M' U' r2 // sb, 17
R U R' U R U' R' U R U2 R' // CMLL, 28
U2 M U M U2 M' U2 M' U M U2 M' U2 // lse, 41

Next: U2 R2 D2 R2 B' R2 B' D2 U2 B' F' R B D' L2 B L' U B2 R2 B

tsmosher · Feb 23, 2025

Jupilogy said:
Here's a shorter EOLR solution which is the only one I know for this case.

And, here's a solution without fancy EOLR which is probably what I'd normally do because I'm a basic b*****. Which in this case turns out to be just as few moves :3 It may be more moves depending on the way you do EO. I got lucky with l4e.

Thanks!

No preference on who helps me with LSE... Just that Pyjam always seems to have an LSE Improvement for me.

Jupilogy said:
Uh, but aside from that I was asking about LSE ^_^' because I would have gone straight for the M2.

Oh! My bad.

That's easy.

If I do M2' right away, the orange/yellow edge is in DFM; the corresponding red/yellow edge is at the tip of the arrow so I can't influence it to DBM to complete 4b (EOLR). At least not in any efficient way that I can see.
By doing U then M2', the green/yellow edge is in DFM; the corresponding blue/yellow edge is on the "left" side of the arrow and can be easily influenced into DBM to complete 4b (EOLR) while I complete 4a (solve EO via M* U* M*).

My EOLR solutions are pretty rudimentary and stupidly intuitive. (By no means optimal.)
Judging by your solutions above, you are leaps and bounds ahead of me as far as LSE goes.
So, I wouldn't put too much stock in my LSE solutions if I were you. lol.

Jupilogy said:
Next: U2 R2 D2 R2 B' R2 B' D2 U2 B' F' R B D' L2 B L' U B2 R2 B

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Setup

U2 R2 D2 R2 B' R2 B' D2 U2 B' F' R B D' L2 B L' U B2 R2 B

Moves

y2 x
U B2 D2 B U' R' F // FB (7)
U' R' U' r' U' R // SS (6/13)
U R U R' U2' R U R' // SBLS (8/21)
R' U' R U' F U' R' U' R U F' // CLL (11/32)
M2' U' M' U' M U M2' U M U2' M' U2' // LSE (12/44)

NEXT: F' D' U2 F2 L B2 R F2 R' U2 L2 F2 L F2 U L' B2 R F D2 F

Jupilogy · Feb 23, 2025

No worries :3 I only really know some easy arrow cases, and the solutions with M2 or U2 are easier for me to understand what's going on than when changing the oriented pieces as well as moving stuff around. Have you seen the EOLR docs/cases from Kian? It's on there, and might be good to study if you're trying to get good at EOLR.

tsmosher said:
NEXT: F' D' U2 F2 L B2 R F2 R' U2 L2 F2 L F2 U L' B2 R F D2 F

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Setup

F' D' U2 F2 L B2 R F2 R' U2 L2 F2 L F2 U L' B2 R F D2 F

Moves

z2 y'
R' F' u2 R U' F2 // fb, 6
U' r2 U2 r' U' R r U2 R' U r // sb, 11/17

//first try, got dots :(
// U2 R U2 R' U' R U R' U' R U R' U' R U' r' // world's longest CMLL, 16/33
// U2 M' U2 M' U M' U' M2 U' E2 M E2 M' // lse, 13/46

//let's see what happen if we start with r instead of R
U2 r U2 R' U' R U R' U' R U R' U' R U' R' // world's longest CMLL, 16/33
U2 M' U2 M U' M U' M2 U // lse, no dots! 9/42

Frustratingly couldn't get below like 40 moves. Then managed to cancel some stuff and ended up with 31 on this scramble (from page 3)

Twizzle link

Setup

D2 B2 U' F2 R2 U F2 R2 U2 B2 F2 R' U F' R F' L B L D' R'

Moves

y x2
R2 F R D' M D' // fb, 6
U r' U r U R U2 r U M U2 M' //U' R //sb cancel into CMLL, 12/18
//R' U  // cancelled part of CMLL
r U2 R2 F R F' R // cmll, 7/25
M U M2 U2 M U2 // lse, 6/31

//y x2
//R2 F R D' M D' // fb, 6
//U r' U r U R U2 r U M U2 M' U' R //sb, 14/20
//R' U r U2 R2 F R F' R // cmll, 9/29
//M U M2 U2 M U2 // lse, 6/35

//r2 U r' U' M' U' r2 U M U2 M2 U r' // sb, 13/19
//U2 R U' L' U R' U' L // cmll, 8/27
//M2 U M' U' M' U M' U2 M U' M2 U2 M' U2 M // lse, 15/42

//y
//R' U2 F r U' x U' M2 F' // fb, 8
//U2 r2 U' r U R' U R' U' r U r' // sb, 12/20
//U L' U' L U L F' L' F // cmll, 9/29
//M2 U M U M' U' M' U2 M U M2 U M2 U2 M2 // lse, 15/44

//U2 R2 U' r U R' U R' U' r U r' // sb, 12/20
//U L' U' L U L F' L' F // cmll, 9/29
//M2 U M U M' U M' U2 M U' M2 U' M' U2 M' U2 // lse, 16/45

//z x2
//R U F' u F r' R' F // fb, 8
//r' U' r2 U' r' U r U' M2 U2 r U r' // sb, 13/21
//U' R' U' R U' R' U F' U F R // cmll, 11/32
//M U' M U2 M' U M' U M' U2 M U' M2 U F2 M2 F2 // lse, 17/49

next: D2 L2 D' U2 R2 F2 L2 B2 U2 L2 D' F' L U2 F D B2 L2 F' R' B'

Jupilogy · Sep 2, 2025

Since nobody has replied but I really want this thread to carry on, I'm bumping with my solution to my previous scramble (hope nobody had a 6 months in-the-works solution

)

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Setup

D2 L2 D' U2 R2 F2 L2 B2 U2 L2 D' F' L U2 F D B2 L2 F' R' B'

Moves

z'
(U' D') (R' r') F U B // fb
R2 U' r2 U (M R) U R U' (M2 R') U R // sb
U' R U2 R D R' U2 R D' R2 // cmll
M' U M' U M U' M U M U2 M' // lse

Next: B2 U' B2 D' F2 L2 U' L2 F2 U' R U2 B2 L2 D B U L F'

edit: omg, are you seeing twizzle render my simultaneous axis turns! Amazing!

tsmosher · Jan 19, 2026

Jupilogy said:
Next: B2 U' B2 D' F2 L2 U' L2 F2 U' R U2 B2 L2 D B U L F'

Twizzle link

Setup

B2 U' B2 D' F2 L2 U' L2 F2 U' R U2 B2 L2 D B U L F'

Moves

x z'
r2 F U' r u E' R' u2' // FB (8)
R U2' F' r U' r' F2 U' R U R U2' R2' F R F' // SB (16/24)
U' R' F' r U R U' r' F // COLL (9/33)
U M2' U M' U2' M // LSE (6/39)

NEXT: D' L2 F2 U' F2 L2 F2 U2 R2 D B2 R' U' F2 U B F' U F' D' F'

Renslay · Apr 17, 2026

tsmosher said:
NEXT: D' L2 F2 U' F2 L2 F2 U2 R2 D B2 R' U' F2 U B F' U F' D' F'

I solve it as I would do during a speedsolving.

Twizzle link

Setup

D' L2 F2 U' F2 L2 F2 U2 R2 D B2 R' U' F2 U B F' U F' D' F'

Moves

y z
E R' u U R2' r' B' // FB (7)
U r' R2 U2 r' U' R2 r' U' R U2 r' // SB (12/19)
R2' D' R U2 R' D R U2 R // CMLL (9/28)
M' U M' U2 M' U M' U M U2 M U M2 U M2 U2 // CMLL (16/44)

Next: F' R L2 D F2 L2 B2 L2 U B2 D B2 U2 L2 F' L D' U' F R D2

BenChristman1 · Apr 27, 2026

Renslay said:
Next: F' R L2 D F2 L2 B2 L2 U B2 D B2 U2 L2 F' L D' U' F R D2

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Setup

F' R L2 D F2 L2 B2 L2 U B2 D B2 U2 L2 F' L D' U' F R D2

Moves

y2 // Inspection
B U D2 F2 R' U2 R U' B // FB
U' M U M' U R' U' R2 U R U R' U' r U r' // SB
U F U R2 D R' U' R D' R2 F' // CMLL
M' U M U M' U M' U2 M U2 M' U' M2 U' // L6E

Next: F D L' R2 F' R2 B' L2 F L2 B2 D2 B' L2 D' F L F U R' D'

Renslay · Apr 27, 2026

BenChristman1 said:
Next: F D L' R2 F' R2 B' L2 F L2 B2 D2 B' L2 D' F L F U R' D'

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Setup

F D L' R2 F' R2 B' L2 F L2 B2 D2 B' L2 D' F L F U R' D'

Moves

y z'
R U R (F B') U' B // FB
M' U' R2 U r U' r' U2 r U r' // SB
U x' D R2 U' R' U R U' R2' D' R U l' // CMLL
M' U' M U2 M U' M' U M2 U M' U2 M U2 // LSE

Next: F2 R U2 F2 L' B2 U2 R2 U2 L2 R' D2 U F D2 L' F2 D' B2 U2 L'

PhanPhuocan · Apr 27, 2026

Renslay said:
F2 R U2 F2 L' B2 U2 R2 U2 L2 R' D2 U F D2 L' F2 D' B2 U2 L'

z2 y2 // inspection
x B' U' R2 D F2 // FB
r U r2 U' r' U R // SB
U' R U2 R D R' U2 R D' R2' // CMLL
M U' M2 U' M U M2//EOLR
U M U2 M U2 M'//L4E
Next: U' L2 R2 U2 B2 U' L2 F2 L2 B2 U' R' D' R D R2 B' R2 F' D R'

Renslay · May 8, 2026

PhanPhuocan said:
Next: U' L2 R2 U2 B2 U' L2 F2 L2 B2 U' R' D' R D R2 B' R2 F' D R'

Twizzle link

Setup

U' L2 R2 U2 B2 U' L2 F2 L2 B2 U' R' D' R D R2 B' R2 F' D R'

Moves

// speedsolve with white left, red bottom
y z'
F2 R F2 r' B M' r B' // FB
U2 R U r U M' U R' U' R' U' M2 U' R' // SB
U R U' L' U R' U L U L' U l // CMLL
M U M U M' U M' U2 M U' M2 U' M2 U2 M' U2 M // LSE

Next:
U L2 R2 B2 D' R2 U2 B2 D' R U2 L2 F U2 B' R' F2 D' L2

PhanPhuocan · May 9, 2026

Renslay said:

z2 y2 x // inspection
D2 R2 F2 D' L' B // FB
U' r' U R U2 r U r2 U R // SB
U R U2' R' U2 R' F R F'//CMLL
M2 U' M'//EO
M2 U2 M2//URUL
U M U2 M//L4E
Next: F U' L' F' R U' L' D F U2 L2 F U2 B2 D2 L2 F2 R2

acrystal · May 9, 2026

PhanPhuocan said:
z2 y2 x // inspection

z2 y2 cancels to x2
so you have x2 x or just x'

Renslay · May 11, 2026

PhanPhuocan said:
Next: F U' L' F' R U' L' D F U2 L2 F U2 B2 D2 L2 F2 R2

Twizzle link

Setup

F U' L' F' R U' L' D F U2 L2 F U2 B2 D2 L2 F2 R2

Moves

// my non-optimal speedsolving solution, white left, red bottom
y' z'
U R2 r D R' F2 R F2 // FB
U2 R2 U R U r' R2 U M' U2 r' U' r // SB
U U2 R2 D R' U2 R D' R' U2 R' // CMLL
M' U2 M' U2 M' U M U M' U2 M2 U2 M // LSE

Next: R' F2 U' R2 U F2 U F2 L2 F2 D U2 R' F' D' U2 R' F D U2 L2

PhanPhuocan · May 14, 2026

Renslay said:
Twizzle link
Setup
F U' L' F' R U' L' D F U2 L2 F U2 B2 D2 L2 F2 R2
Moves
// my non-optimal speedsolving solution, white left, red bottom y' z' U R2 r D R' F2 R F2 // FB U2 R2 U R U r' R2 U M' U2 r' U' r // SB U U2 R2 D R' U2 R D' R' U2 R' // CMLL M' U2 M' U2 M' U M U M' U2 M2 U2 M // LSE

Next: R' F2 U' R2 U F2 U F2 L2 F2 D U2 R' F' D' U2 R' F D U2 L2

x2 // inspection
D2 L R' D R2 F // FB
M2' U2 R2 U r' U r2 U R' // SB
U' R' F2 R' U' R F2 R' U R2 // CMLL
M' U2 M2 U' M' U M//EO
U M2//UFUB
U' M' U2 M' U2 M2//L4E
U//AUF
Next: D' U' F2 R2 D' B2 R2 U R2 F2 R2 U' F U R' B' D' B' R B' L' B2

Renslay · May 14, 2026

PhanPhuocan said:
Next: D' U' F2 R2 D' B2 R2 U R2 F2 R2 U' F U R' B' D' B' R B' L' B2

Twizzle link

Setup

D' U' F2 R2 D' B2 R2 U R2 F2 R2 U' F U R' B' D' B' R B' L' B2

Moves

// speedsolve, yellow left, red bottom
y2 z'
B U R' u R' u R U R U' x // FB
U M' r U M' U R' U' R' U R' U R U2 r' U' r // SB
U' l U R' D R U' R U' R2' D' R U l' // CMLL
U2 M U M U' M U2 M' U' M2 // LSE

Next: L' U L2 R2 B2 U B2 L2 F2 U' B2 D2 R2 L' U' L2 F' R2 F2 D L'

BenChristman1 · May 20, 2026

Renslay said:
Next: L' U L2 R2 B2 U B2 L2 F2 U' B2 D2 R2 L' U' L2 F' R2 F2 D L'

Twizzle link

Setup

L' U L2 R2 B2 U B2 L2 F2 U' B2 D2 R2 L' U' L2 F' R2 F2 D L'

Moves

y2 // Inspection
D R L U' D2 F' L U' L' // FB
U R2 r' U2 R U' R' U R U' R2 U2 r // SB
U' r' F' r U r U' r' F // CMLL
U2 M' U' M U2 M2 U' M U2 M U' // L6E

Next: B2 U R2 B2 D R2 U' F2 R2 U2 R2 U B D' B D' R' F' L' R D2

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