The Method With No Name [Using OLLCP in "CFOP"]

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I felt like this needed to have it's own thread since it's not really a case of Q and A, it's more of a big question than that.

It has come to my attention that this method:

Cross - F2L - Ollcp - Epll

Is indeed a method with no name, and I do dislike it when people call it "cfop"

The below conversation is my reasoning for this needing a name.

[22:52] <gg> cross-f2l-ollcp-epll is as close to cfop as it is to cfce.
[22:52] <gg> So what is it called?
[22:54] Sally: cfop
[22:57] Jimmy: gg umm no its the same? since ollcp does OLL an epll does PLL :P
[22:57] Jimmy: its just a way to force across boundaries
[22:57] <gg> hmm...
[22:58] <gg> yes but ollcp does cp and epll does ell

It really is as close to cfop as it is to cfce
So what is it called?!
 
Ollie said:
cfce
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Not really... That's CLL/ELL, not OLLCP/EPLL.

I don't think we really need to come up with names for each LL variant of CFOP, particularly when it's one that virtually nobody uses. The only reason names are used is for ease of communication. CFOP is used by so many people that an using an acronym to make discussion about it easier is worthwhile, but it's easy enough to specify that its OLLCP/EPLL, as not many people use it or discuss it. If OLLCP/EPLL becomes more widespread, I'm sure a name for it will be coined, but as of now, there isn't one.
 
IRNjuggle28 said:
Not really... That's CLL/ELL, not OLLCP/EPLL.

I don't think we really need to come up with names for each LL variant of CFOP, particularly when it's one that virtually nobody uses. The only reason names are used is for ease of communication. CFOP is used by so many people that an using an acronym to make discussion about it easier is worthwhile, but it's easy enough to specify that its OLLCP/EPLL, as not many people use it or discuss it. If OLLCP/EPLL becomes more widespread, I'm sure a name for it will be coined, but as of now, there isn't one.
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I'm currently learning it... not saying it's popular but you feel left out when your method doesn't have a name! : (
 
Isn't OLLCP mostly used to augment OLL? In which case, it's doing PLL control during OLL, but still basically OLL/PLL. I think only Kir knows all of OLLCP (is that right? not sure) and he pretty much uses it for Roux sometimes. I don't think OLLCP/EPLL really needs a name at this point in time, if it becomes in some way popular as as main method then that could change.
 
OLLCP is far closer to being a subset of OLL than of CLL. And EPLL is far closer to being a subset of PLL than ELL. In my opinion.

edit: ok this wording is bad and my opinion has changed somewhat, i'll leave it unchanged though.
 
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Okay, so most people here are technically correct, because:

OLLCP orients the last layer
EPLL permutes the last layer
=OLL/PLL

OLLCP solves the corners
EPLL solves the edges
=CLL/ELL

Yet the major difference here is that it is called orientation of last layer (and) corner permutation, which makes it OLLCP. It's not called CLLEO, corners of last layer and edge orientation.

Also, usually people who use CLL don't start learning the different EO cases for each CLL, people will start learning the different CP cases for each OLL.

Still, both definitions are equally correct, if not the OLL/PLL one being the more correct one, but to claim that only CLL/ELL is the correct one is downright wrong.


And one last thing, everyone knows full well that you are correct, that technically OLLCP/EPLL could be considered CLL/ELL. But so are they. You are getting overly defensive about something that is stupid to argue over. And it even seems to me that you are trying to claim that OLLCP/EPLL is not OLL/PLL. Again, nobody is saying you are wrong.
 
The only differance between this and CFOP is last layer. So I feel it no worth call go it a different method. You do F2L but solve ll differently. No much of a change. Compared to the differance between CFOP and roux.
 
scottishcuber said:
OLLCP is far closer to being a subset of OLL than of CLL. And EPLL is far closer to being a subset of PLL than ELL. In my opinion.
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There is EO, EP, CO, and CP. OLLCP does EO, CO, and CP. Two of those (EO/CO) affect OLL. And two of those (CO and CP) affect CLL. That's why he says it's equally close to both, and I agree with that. What makes you see it differently?

ELL is different, as it affects only one of those categories compared to three for OLLCP. The reason it's not clear what subset OLLCP falls under is that it falls under CLL +1 (EO) and OLL+1 (CP). That's not the case with ELL. EPLL is clearly a subset of both OLL and ELL, and is so in equal measuers for both. OLLCP is not really a "subset" of either. It's closer to being a "supset" of OLL and CLL.
 
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Look another thing people aren't realizing is that with big alg sets, pretty much every alg falls under that category. If you know 3LLL, you know 28 ZBLLs, congrats! If you know full OLL, you know 57 OLLCPs, congrats! If you know full OLLCP, you know COLL, ZBLL, 1LLL, CLL, etc. Most algs in big alg sets overlap somehow.

Also, to the people calling it CFOE, the first letter of the alg set does not dictate the abbreviation, because the abbreviation is how it affects the cube, if there is a word to describe that in the alg set. (CLL for example).
 
scottishcuber said:
OLLCP is far closer to being a subset of OLL than of CLL. And EPLL is far closer to being a subset of PLL than ELL. In my opinion.
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Well... OLL and CLL are subsets of OLLCP. Similarly EPLL is a subset of PLL and also ELL.
OLL is 1/6th of OLLCP, and PLL is 6 times bigger than EPLL.
However, CLL is 1/8th of OLLCP and ELL is 8 times bigger than EPLL.

So if you look at it this way, OLL/PLL is "closer" to OLLCP/EPLL than CLL/ELL.
 
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