Tell'em About Jesus!

[Lofty]

I don't really know how to do all the quoting for this post so I'm just going to type.
1.) What isn't spread by someone else telling you about it? Is Fridrich not real because a friend told me about it? I don't see what the problem is with other people telling you about it. (X) You say someone converts you like its a forced conversion or something. I think it goes a little something like this. Someone presents the other person with new information that they don't know and that person than decides if they want to convert or not.
2.) You are right there isn't much positivist evidence for Christianity but positivist evidence isn't the only kinda of evidence and isn't the only valid theory for figuring things out. Faith isn't the just crazy belief without any kind of proof at all. But at the same time yes, you do just have to believe it. But its a belief backed up by supporting evidence. But supporting evidence isn't the same thing as positive proof.
3.) I don't doubt my faith in God but I will admit to questioning how I'm going to hold up at death's door. I'd like to think I'd be fine but I guess I can't really know until I get there. I heard a story of a minister on the titanic who, when guiding people to the lifeboats was shouting women, children and unsaved to the lifeboats then he dived overboard and began sharing the gospel with all the people floating in the water with him. He then gave his life jacket to a man who rejected the gospel. And I wonder if I would hold up the same way in the situation. But thats a bit of a digression haha.
3.) This is a pretty good rap video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKYbF6_xqBo
4.) I hope you all consider Christianity. I'm sure you all know by now that it's by belief that Jesus Christ is the only way to be right with God.
5.) Edit.

 

[Ethan Rosen]

I may be an atheist, but I certainly believe in this man's ability to drop a beat.

 

[(X)]

1) Escher, like I said there are exceptions. But those persons have been affected by other peoples views.

2) The percentage of people that converts from one view of life to another is microscopic. The massive majority of religious people have religious parents.

3) " Faith isn't the just crazy belief without any kind of proof at all" ...???

4) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKYbF6_xqBo No, that's not a good video

5) "I'm sure you all know by now that it's by belief that Jesus Christ is the only way to be right with God. " You're such an open-minded 14 year old

 

[Logan]

Let's not start a fight guys. This was going well.

 

[miniGOINGS]

I don't know what I am. I want to be a Christian but I'm a very logical (14 year old) thinker, and there aren't many absolute "facts" proving it (Christianity). I go to church (most of the time ), and prey, and go to youth group things (like camp), but in the inside I just don't believe. It sucks because I lose nights of sleep worrying that I might die tomorrow and just "black out". I really need help here. I don't care if it's "true" or not, I just need something to help me believe, and to make me feel better (Isn't that why they made religions? So people don't freak out about death?).

Thank you for reading my rant. Any help will be appreciated.

Mhm, I do believe that religious behaivour is a way of people trying to convince themselves that they are "good enough" for God and therefore will make it to heaven. I myself completely dissagree that religion is any sort of answer, except for an ignorant one. The point of Christianity is about a relationship with a divine, holy, perfect, powerful, loving God. Not doing this, and saying this, and acting this way, and standing up now, and then praying. Religion is about doing what you can for God to accept you. Christianty is (should be) about accepting what God has already done for you. Going to church and praying won't build your relationship with God, we (I) go to church because I have a relationship with God and want it to grow. Hope this helps, please flame me if you feel necessary.

 

[Escher]

1) Escher, like I said there are exceptions. But those persons have been affected by other peoples views.

2) The percentage of people that converts from one view of life to another is microscopic. The massive majority of religious people have religious parents.

3) " Faith isn't the just crazy belief without any kind of proof at all" ...???

4) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKYbF6_xqBo No, that's not a good video

5) "I'm sure you all know by now that it's by belief that Jesus Christ is the only way to be right with God. " You're such an open-minded 14 year old

1) Yes, exceptions, but in my experience much more common than your original estimate.

2) That's true. However, just because one holds a similar political viewpoint to their parents doesn't invalidate that political viewpoint, does it?

3) Actually imo faith is just a belief without any proof at all other than individual religious experiences and reflection...

5) That's pretty condescending. And it's true; we all do know that Lofty is a Christian with very strong faith who believes that the way he follows his God is the right path.

Let's not start a fight guys. This was going well.

It's less of a fight, more of a discussion of disagreements.

 

[Parity]

There is only one thing I sorta worry about as a christian is the "Mark of the beast"
But I am not really worried I know when I am gone I will be in a way better place.

 

[(X)]

@5) I only responded that way because he claimed to be open-minded in one of his previous posts.

 

[Ton]

I'm a Muslim and I'm kinda fine with people being an Atheist or what not. Its their choice but if they suddenly take an interest in some religion, why not.

I wonder how this(me being a Muslim) will affect me hanging around some of you if I ever meet you guys(due to the Kosher meat, no pork, no alcohol and stuff, not due to the fact that you guys know that I'm a Muslim).

Why should that matter? Cubing is about cubing , not what you eat or believe. Why should a muslim cuber be any different? As you know I met many muslim cubers in Indonesian, I did not notice and difference between , no religion cubers, muslims or Christian cubers, this because it does not matter.

 

[qqwref]

IMO, a sub-10 average is the mark of the beast. Because let's face it... anyone who can average sub-10 is pretty beast.

Well, I looked up the "mark of the beast" concept on Wikipedia and I'm not sure I really get it. I think the "historical explanation" idea makes a lot of sense, that 666/616 are references to some particularly anti-Christian Roman emperor, with the mark being "the stamped image of the emperor's head on every coin of the Roman empire". The idea that the mark is going to be some kind of credit card or microchip seems to imply that technology/society is being controlled by the devil which seems a bit farfetched to me.

 

[StachuK1992]

I wonder how this(me being a Muslim) will affect me hanging around some of you if I ever meet you guys(due to the Kosher meat, no pork, no alcohol and stuff, not due to the fact that you guys know that I'm a Muslim).

I assure you that people, at least in the States, would be very acceptive (word?), apart from the occasional prick, of course, and I'm nearly sure people from other places would agree about their cubers. Any cubers that have been a round for a decent time period seem to be nice, accepting people that would completely understand where you would come from.

Okay. religion rant:
If I *had* to put myself into some category, it would most likely be 'agnostic.'
Honestly, anything could have created us all. Big Bang, God, Allah, a Flying Spaghetti Monster, even an Invisible Pink Unicorn.
I don't know.
I've been brought up with Christianity, and because of being brought up with such beliefs, that's what my brain has been geared towards, but when I think of the vastness of "everything," I begin more and more to think that there is no God.

Think about the Universe. It's big. REALLY big. Like...REALLY big. To 'pick on' one religion, I'll go with Christianity, since I know it the best.
The Bible only tells about things, as far as I know, in detail, that are in our galaxy. Why is this? Why is there no hinting of anything bigger? Because it was written by people. People that, for some reason or another, pretended that the whole God thing was true, and for some reason wanted others to believe as well. The vastness of everything is the thing that mainly deters me from believing in religion.

Also, the corruption in religion bothers me. Such as war.


The Holy Bible has passages stating the following:
-homosexuals should be put to death
-slavery is not frowned upon.

That bothers me, as I believe the exact opposite.

Also, I forget who, but there is a man, very religious, in the Bible, that got drunk and raped his daughter. When's the last time that you've heard anything about that in a service?
It bothers me that preachers can say they believe everything in the bible, and encourage others to do the same, yet don't cover the 'bad' things, such as this.

That's all.

 

[Bryan]

I wonder how this(me being a Muslim) will affect me hanging around some of you if I ever meet you guys(due to the Kosher meat, no pork, no alcohol and stuff, not due to the fact that you guys know that I'm a Muslim).

Isn't it halal, not kosher? And the other stuff doesn't really matter that much. At the last MN Open, I probably should've ordered one more cheese pizza, but not really that big of a deal. And the alcohol? Many cubers aren't legal drinking age, and some of us (like myself) are, but don't drink anyway.

 

[PeterV]

I too am a Christian. I know these religous debates can get quite heated. I would love to see others on this forum come to Christ, but the reality is that each person must choose for him/herself.

@ Lofty: I am right there with you! All we can do is present the gospel and then it is up to others to make personal choices. I'm solid in my beliefs and know without a doubt that I'm on the right path. I hope others will follow.

 

[Ton]

What I do not understand is how sometimes religious belief leads to ostracization, wars, and human rights violations.

Because the are people, you can fill in for "religious belief" , "animal activist" or communist or capitalist etc . Main cause when people do not think for them self will lead then to wars etc...

 

[Bryan]

The Bible only tells about things, as far as I know, in detail, that are in our galaxy.

So, would you say that the Bible doesn't talk about heaven in detail, or that heaven is in our galaxy?

The Bible isn't meant to be Encyclopedia Britannica.

 

[JLarsen]

When I look at the incredibly large amount of religions out there, I kind of see devoting to one as arrogant, because you are essentially saying that every, single, other religion, ever, is wrong, and yours is right. Even with Christianity there are different branches, all of which argue amongst themselves. I can't possibly put myself in on of these with complete confidence the beliefs of that religion are 100% true.

 

[Logan]

What I do not understand is how sometimes religious belief leads to ostracization, wars, and human rights violations.

Because the are people, you can fill in for "religious belief" , "animal activist" or communist or capitalist etc . Main cause when people do not think for them self will lead then to wars etc...

ummm... I didn't say that.

 

[elcarc]

This thread has opened my eyes. Although I will stay a Christian, and worship Christ forever (don't try to change me), I do feel more open to other religions.

 

[StachuK1992]

The Bible only tells about things, as far as I know, in detail, that are in our galaxy.

So, would you say that the Bible doesn't talk about heaven in detail, or that heaven is in our galaxy?

The Bible isn't meant to be Encyclopedia Britannica.

I mean it doesn't talk about other galaxies, unless we are to believe that heaven is in all galaxies that aren't 'ours.'

Yes, I know it's not supposed to be all-encompassing, but one would think that God or whoever would at least mention such questions.

 

[Zeroknight]

Wow, this is the first topic in my life where no (well see below) flaming has taken place. Seeing civilized discussion, instead of a debate is new to me on the interwebs. I'll contribute later (maybe), but in the meantime, good job guys!

Theists believe, atheists know

Seriously, dude. It has been going well, except for some of your posts, (X). Son, I am disappoint. (yes, it's a meme)