Some advice people give that I don't agree with
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Smiles
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Lol good point.
The only accurate comparison I have is with my cubing friends, since I can't really judge anyone else's turning.
The only cuber I know who doesn't really corner cut and is comfortable on a bad cube, used a Rubik's storebought cube for just as long as I did.
I am also still comfortable on a Rubik's brand cube and I can easily sub 20 with a useable one.
Also, it seemed to take me longer than most people to get used to a Guhong. This was not a bad thing, cause it's like learning F2L. You slow down at first, then you're used to it and your times improve.
What I couldn't get used to was the better TPS capabilities, and I felt like I wasn't going as fast as I should be going. That all fixed itself within a week or so.
So, in my perspective, the only thing wrong with my using a Rubik's cube was that it took away from my potential TPS for like a week, which is no harm.
To compare further, my friend who constantly got frustrated with his storebought cube and actually broke it in frustration, got a better cube and then loved it. I can still beat him in PLL time attacks and average LL times, so I know I've adapted to this cube. But my lack of corner cutting compared to his means I'm still pretty precise.
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Kirjava
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Yeah, your anecdotal evidence means nothing.
At least I've made you realise that you're passing off things that aren't true as fact.
At least I've made you realise that you're passing off things that aren't true as fact.
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You didn't make me realise anything, and you saying that is just you passing off things that aren't true as fact.
"I disagree with this, because of personal experience. There's nothing wrong with the logic here, it makes sense.
I think that using a cube that is not a good speedcube (but not a terrible one) while learning can help one become a better cuber."
When did I ever say that it's a fact? That's it's true? I never said that using a bad cube makes you better. I said that it SHOULD/CAN make you better, and I backed it up by saying that it made me and my friend better. Believe my stories or not, but I never passed it off as a fact. The reason why the topic is even debatable is because there is no hard fact.
applemobile
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Unless you can go back in time, and start again with a zanchi, your argument will still be little
More than speculation.
More than speculation.
ZamHalen
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Who are you?
Honestly I disagree with point 1. People tend to interpret point 1 as the cube being the be all end all.If that was true I should be at least sub 15 by now.It's, in my opinion, 70%-80% cuber the rest cube and other variables. I didn't get a better cube until I averaged about 25 seconds and believe that working through technical aspects rather than mindlessly spamming move sequences helped me get to that point. I've handed my guhong to people who can solve the cube, and guess what happens?It takes just as long for them to solve it as they would with a store brand. Someone could end up thinking like I did for awhile, that if I hit a wall I just buy another cube.And this just doesn't work.
On the other hand I strongly agree with point 2 because I did this and ended up wasting a cube.
Honestly I disagree with point 1. People tend to interpret point 1 as the cube being the be all end all.If that was true I should be at least sub 15 by now.It's, in my opinion, 70%-80% cuber the rest cube and other variables. I didn't get a better cube until I averaged about 25 seconds and believe that working through technical aspects rather than mindlessly spamming move sequences helped me get to that point. I've handed my guhong to people who can solve the cube, and guess what happens?It takes just as long for them to solve it as they would with a store brand. Someone could end up thinking like I did for awhile, that if I hit a wall I just buy another cube.And this just doesn't work.
On the other hand I strongly agree with point 2 because I did this and ended up wasting a cube.
applemobile
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Wasting a cube? Can you not just put stickers on it?
ZamHalen
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Not when you have trouble buying anything cubing related.Younger beginners may have this problem as well.
Smiles
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Did you actually read my post?
The 2 points are the things I disagree with. I'm on your side.
Edit: after rereading your post I'm somewhat confused. my views are that:
1. having a great cube doesn't always make you better
2. peeling off stickers to practice F2L doesn't help
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Carson
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A couple people have mentioned that their Rubik's brand cubes were actually decent after lubing and breaking in... while this may be true (as many of them feel different), you should consider yourself lucky. Most storebought cubes will never be better than marginally acceptable without true modding. I use many fingertricks that I am unable to duplicate on a storebought cube even if it is lubed. Many of my LL algs are so ingrained in muscle memory, that I cannot apply them without using the same fingertricks. For this reason, I have been unable to solve friends'/family's/random peoples' cubes and have had to use a beginner's method to do so. I'm not saying that it is absolutely impossible to find a Rubik's brand cube that can be somewhat speedsolved after being lubed, but I am saying that its not the norm.
As for the accuracy argument. There is some logic to that argument, but practicing accurate with a turning style that you will not be using when truly speedcubing is not really useful practice. Perhaps others using the same techniques, but I am unable to turn in the same manner as I typically use when solving a storebought cube. I do practice accuracy fairly often, and here is how: Begin solving as slowly as necessary to keep the noise produced by the cube as minimal as possible. It is better to use a clicky cube for this. I can't use my Lun Hui, as I can do pretty much anything to it and it is still quiet. Gradually increase solving speed, but not so much that the cube becomes loud. The real battle is to get as close to your usual solve times as possible while keeping noise to a minimum. I currently average about :21 over long averages, and can usually get down to the mid :20's solving quietly before the noise really kicks in. It is important to note that you should use the same fingertricks and turning style even when you are trying to be quiet. I'm not saying that this is THE way to practice accuracy for everyone, but it has helped me immensely.
As for the accuracy argument. There is some logic to that argument, but practicing accurate with a turning style that you will not be using when truly speedcubing is not really useful practice. Perhaps others using the same techniques, but I am unable to turn in the same manner as I typically use when solving a storebought cube. I do practice accuracy fairly often, and here is how: Begin solving as slowly as necessary to keep the noise produced by the cube as minimal as possible. It is better to use a clicky cube for this. I can't use my Lun Hui, as I can do pretty much anything to it and it is still quiet. Gradually increase solving speed, but not so much that the cube becomes loud. The real battle is to get as close to your usual solve times as possible while keeping noise to a minimum. I currently average about :21 over long averages, and can usually get down to the mid :20's solving quietly before the noise really kicks in. It is important to note that you should use the same fingertricks and turning style even when you are trying to be quiet. I'm not saying that this is THE way to practice accuracy for everyone, but it has helped me immensely.
ZamHalen
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Oh lol It seems I misinterpreted what you were saying......well nothing to do here.
Carson
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ZamHalen: You are in my kitchen looking for the toaster? Good... let me know if you find it. Its still packed in a box somewhere from the last time I moved (1.5 years ago) and I haven't found it yet.
applemobile
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I have 3 toasters if you need to borrow one.
5BLD
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How are they not true? How can you say this with no supporting points?
Are you also trying to pass off things that aren't true as fact? How do we know it's true. Is what you posted here a strong argument?
Why just tell people they're wrong with no convincing back up points?
Define waste time. Define moronic.
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applemobile
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Probably because it would be like arguing with a Jehovas Witness. It's just pointless, just tell them they are wrong and move on.
5BLD
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Ah yes. What a fantastic way to have a constructive discussion.
applemobile
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The point being nothing constructive will come out of it, there is a strong divide down the middle, the people who think that you should use a Rubik's brand to start with, and the people who are right. It doesn't matter how much it is discussed, an agreement will never be had. Some people are just happy being wrong.
Kirjava
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Here you go;
They are not true because they have no supporting points.
Good cube turns differently, you have to get used to turning it - requires learning something new.
Sometimes I don't explain things that are braindead obvious in case people fell like I'm patronising them.
5BLD
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Hm
Is this as bad as learning to turn accurately?Kirjava said:
I don't think we should just dismiss peoples' personal experiences... If many share the same then it could be considered rather convincing evidence. Either way I don't see how he can be 'wrong' if it's his personal experience. Sure, I can agree with you it's not good evidence for his point, but it is not worthless- if for example many share the same.Kirjava said:
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