Should I count 3x3 PBs if they were with One Handed scrambles?

[CubeLite]

So I did a challenge for a video, where I did an ao50 on 3x3 with 3x3 scrambles and then with 3x3 One Handed scrambles to see If the OH scrambles are luckier, which I got the idea form mr. @precompsubwr, and, well...it was crazy, I got TWO 8 SECONDS SOLVES, COUNTING AN 8, AND SO MANY PLLs SKIPS, ALL WITHIN 50 SOLVES, If you want to see everything in the averages and If they are really, you can subscribe to my channel here when I realise it, please

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So should I count them as PB2 and PB4? If they were on one handed scrambles, but done with 2 hands?

 

[GloopyGum]

I would count the solves.
On a more important note, the scrambles for 3x3 and OH are generated with the same scrambling algorithm.

 

[CubeLite]

I would count the solves.
On a more important note, the scrambles for 3x3 and OH are generated with the same scrambling algorithm.

I know, I did it for fun, and somehow it turned into something bigger

Also, I made a poll where you can vote if I count them

 

[IsThatA4x4]

I mean this is just correlation ≠ causation, I see absolutely no reason not to count them because it's not like your intent was to do OH and then you got a good scram and decided to 2H it, your intent was to do 2H on OH scrambles which are the same as acknowledged already.

 

[AJT17]

I personally think that they are more likely to be better solves from my experience, they are separate scramble types for a reason. Maybe we could get as many people are willing to do an average of 5-25 with both scramble types and see if there is any correlation on a larger scale instead of just one person doing it.

 

[Isabellikesmaths]

They are scrambled using the same algorithm so they are the same. I wonder if they seem luckier because it is easier to look ahead when doing one handed, leading to people managing to solve more efficiently, which seems luckier.

As for doing them 2 handed, a sample size of 50 is simply nowhere near big enough to be considered conclusive evidence.

 

[Bingus Ringus McDingus]

So I did a challenge for a video, where I did an ao50 on 3x3 with 3x3 scrambles and then with 3x3 One Handed scrambles to see If the OH scrambles are luckier, which I got the idea form mr. @precompsubwr, and, well...it was crazy, I got TWO 8 SECONDS SOLVES, COUNTING AN 8, AND SO MANY PLLs SKIPS, ALL WITHIN 50 SOLVES, If you want to see everything in the averages and If they are really, you can subscribe to my channel here when I realise it, please

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So should I count them as PB2 and PB4? If they were on one handed scrambles, but done with 2 hands?

I would say that this is due to sheer luck. OH and regular scrambles are generated using the same code, and I would assume that BLD uses the same algorithm too, just with the final move or two turned into the inverse wide move (R = Lw', U' = Dw).

They are scrambled using the same algorithm so they are the same. I wonder if they seem luckier because it is easier to look ahead when doing one handed, leading to people managing to solve more efficiently, which seems luckier.

As for doing them 2 handed, a sample size of 50 is simply nowhere near big enough to be considered conclusive evidence.

I fully and entirely agree with the one-handed = lookahead thing.

 

[precompsubwr]

I personally think that they are more likely to be better solves from my experience, they are separate scramble types for a reason. Maybe we could get as many people are willing to do an average of 5-25 with both scramble types and see if there is any correlation on a larger scale instead of just one person doing it.

I'll try this and see what I get, but with an ao100

edit: accidentally got my first sub 6 avg

Generated By csTimer on 2024-10-02
avg of 5: 5.95

Time List:
4547. 6.40 F2 R2 D' L2 R2 D' U' B2 D' R2 B2 F' L F2 R B' L2 D U' F R
4548. 5.15 D2 B2 U2 L2 B2 U2 R2 F2 R B2 R' F' D' B D' U2 B' D U'
4549. (4.65) U' F2 R U2 B2 R2 B2 L' F2 R' B2 F D B2 D2 U' L D' R
4550. (6.69) F2 L2 R2 D2 F R2 B' U2 L2 F D L' R2 D2 B' R' D B' R
4551. 6.30 F' D2 R' F2 R' U2 L F2 L R2 B2 D L B2 F U2 L U' R2

 

[AJT17]

I'll try this and see what I get, but with an ao100

edit: accidentally got my first sub 6 avg

Generated By csTimer on 2024-10-02
avg of 5: 5.95

Time List:
4547. 6.40 F2 R2 D' L2 R2 D' U' B2 D' R2 B2 F' L F2 R B' L2 D U' F R
4548. 5.15 D2 B2 U2 L2 B2 U2 R2 F2 R B2 R' F' D' B D' U2 B' D U'
4549. (4.65) U' F2 R U2 B2 R2 B2 L' F2 R' B2 F D B2 D2 U' L D' R
4550. (6.69) F2 L2 R2 D2 F R2 B' U2 L2 F D L' R2 D2 B' R' D B' R
4551. 6.30 F' D2 R' F2 R' U2 L F2 L R2 B2 D L B2 F U2 L U' R2

What scramble type was it?

 

[AJT17]

I don't have too much time to do a huge average today, so I just did an ao25 for each but I will do this again tomorrow with a bigger average too.
I did OH scrambles first and got a much better ao25 than I usually get, and then I did 3x3 scrambles and got a pretty average ao25, but then again this is just one day, and it isn't nearly enough data.

Spoiler: 3x3 Scrambles ao25

Generated By csTimer on 2024-10-02
avg of 25: 9.563

Time List:
28076. 8.860 B2 L' U2 L2 U2 B2 L' B2 R' D2 R' B U B L' B' R2 U' R U
28077. 8.710 D' R2 U L2 D2 L2 F2 U R2 D' B2 R' U2 R2 U R' B F' D' R
28078. 8.620 B' U D' F B2 R' F D R2 B2 R2 U' L2 F2 R2 F2 U2 R2 D' R B'
28079. 10.050 B' R2 U L2 D' R' U2 F U B2 U2 R2 F' L2 B L2 U2 D2 F' U2 B
28080. (11.530) D2 L' F L2 U2 B' D2 L2 R2 B' R2 F' R2 F R' D L2 F2 U' L U2
28081. 8.890 L R2 B2 R2 D2 B' U2 B' F L2 D2 L2 U' L D2 B D R' B L
28082. 8.950 F2 R D2 F2 L2 D B2 D R2 D' R2 U L2 R' F L2 U R B L2
28083. 10.290 L F2 L' D' L U D R' F2 D2 F2 U2 F2 L2 B' U2 R2 B' U2 F2
28084. 10.640 U L2 U B2 U R' L F' U F2 R' D2 L2 U2 F2 R2 L D2 B2 D2 R'
28085. 9.800 R' D2 R2 U2 L2 B D2 B2 F U2 F' L2 U L B' L2 D2 L' D2 R'
28086. 9.420 B2 U2 L2 D' R2 D R2 U R2 U' B2 F' L2 R' D' U2 B2 U' R F2 R'
28087. 9.350 L' U' F' U2 B R' U2 R' L2 U' F2 U L2 D F2 L2 U2 F2 B2 U
28088. (7.640) D' F2 D L2 D U' B2 L2 B' R2 U2 B2 D' F2 R' B L D
28089. (14.360) R2 U R2 U' B2 L2 D2 B2 D2 R2 U' R U2 F' R B' R2 F L2 U2
28090. 10.760 U2 R' B' U' L' B' R U' B2 U2 F2 U2 L2 D2 B' D2 B L2 B D
28091. 10.090 L D' R' F2 D L' U L F R2 F D2 R2 F' L2 F2 L2 B' U2 F R'
28092. 10.620 F' U' L' B' D L F L U' F2 B2 R2 U2 L D2 R' F2 L' B2 L2
28093. 9.070 F2 D U2 R2 B2 F2 D' R2 B2 U2 L2 B U' L2 F L2 R2 D L' U
28094. 10.010 U2 R2 F U' B R' F' U' L' U2 F2 R2 F2 L U2 L2 F2 U2 R B2
28095. 9.590 R F' R2 D B' U2 R U' F2 R2 B2 L2 D L2 U2 L2 F2 R2 L F
28096. (8.260) F D2 L2 F L2 R2 B D2 R2 U2 R2 L' B' R F' D F' D2 U F'
28097. 9.650 F U B2 D R2 D F2 U F2 L2 B2 U' L' U B' F D R2 B L2
28098. 8.560 R2 F D2 L2 B' D2 L2 F2 L2 B U2 B' U L' B' D' U' F' D2 R' B'
28099. 9.550 U2 L2 R2 D' R2 B2 L2 R2 D2 B2 L D B' D' F2 R D' U' L2 B
28100. 9.350[3x3 SCRAMBLE ao25] D' U' B2 R2 U' L2 F2 U' F2 R2 D' B2 L' B R2 F' R D' B U' R2

Spoiler: OH Scrambles ao25

Generated By csTimer on 2024-10-02
avg of 25: 9.270

Time List:
28051. 8.090 B2 U' R2 U B2 U' L2 F2 L2 D2 B2 U F' D U R' F2 L D' L2 F2
28052. (7.430) B D B2 F D2 B2 D2 R2 F' R2 U2 L' U B2 R B' U' R2 F'
28053. 9.680 U B' F2 R2 U B2 D' L2 U L2 D2 B2 U F2 R B2 R B' D' U2 L
28054. 10.710 F2 L' B L U' R2 L' B D' L2 U2 L2 U2 B2 R2 F2 B' U2 B'
28055. (11.200) R2 B U D2 R D2 R U2 L2 F' R2 F' L2 B2 U2 B2 U2 F
28056. 9.660 F' L2 F2 R' F2 L B2 D2 B2 D2 F2 L' D2 B' L B2 R U' L D' U2
28057. 9.990 F2 L D' L2 U B2 D' L2 D' F2 R2 U' L B L2 F U2 L2 D L'
28058. 10.110 U B U' F2 U' L' U F U2 R' L' U2 B2 L' U2 F2 U2 L' F2 U
28059. 8.600 D' F L2 B D2 U2 F' U2 F2 U2 R2 B2 R' F R' U' F L' D' U
28060. (14.190) L2 D2 B L2 F D2 B' U2 L2 B L R B' L D' U B' L2 U2
28061. 8.150 R F' U D2 L' D F' D F2 R' F2 R' L' U2 B2 R2 D2 F'
28062. 8.650 U' L F D2 L B R F' U L2 U R2 U' R2 U2 L2 F2 L2 U2 F2 R
28063. 9.580 R' B' L2 F2 L2 U' B' L' B L2 U2 B R2 F2 D2 F L2 U2 R2 F2 U
28064. 9.720 B' U F D B R U2 L2 F L2 U F2 U2 R2 D F2 U' L2 F2 D
28065. 8.190 D2 B2 F2 D R2 D' L2 F2 D U R2 F D' U2 B U' L' R' F' D' F'
28066. 10.750 L B D' L2 F2 D' B2 D L2 U' R2 U L2 U2 R' D F L' B' F2 R2
28067. 9.310 B2 F2 L2 D' B2 R2 U' B2 D2 L2 R2 B' R' D U B R2 F' L' F' U
28068. 8.440 U L' B R D' F2 U' R L2 D' F2 D' R2 D2 R2 L2 F2 U' R2 D' R
28069. 9.860 U' F' D' B2 D B2 U F2 L2 R2 F2 U' B R' U F2 D' R D U'
28070. 9.310 F' D' U2 R2 F2 U R2 U' R2 B2 D B2 L2 R B' F2 L F2 L' B2 U
28071. (7.910) U L D2 B2 U R2 U2 F2 U F2 U' R2 B2 F' R2 B' L' D' U F U
28072. 9.210 D F' D' L2 F2 D R2 B2 D B2 R2 B2 D2 L2 R' D2 L D' R B' R
28073. 8.540 B L2 D2 R U2 R U2 B2 D2 R D2 R B' U' B U' R2 D R' B'
28074. 9.560 D2 L' F2 D2 L U' D' L' U F2 R2 L2 F' U2 F2 L2 D2 L2 F U2
28075. 8.550[OH SCRAMBLES ao25] D F2 U2 L2 U2 R2 U2 B2 L B2 F2 D2 U' L' D B' U2 B2 D

 

[precompsubwr]

What scramble type was it?

normal 2h

 

[CubeLite]

They are scrambled using the same algorithm so they are the same. I wonder if they seem luckier because it is easier to look ahead when doing one handed, leading to people managing to solve more efficiently, which seems luckier.

As for doing them 2 handed, a sample size of 50 is simply nowhere near big enough to be considered conclusive evidence.

Idk why, I felt they were luckier in a way, like the cross was easier in most of them, and also a lot of PLL SKIPS, but I know it is just a coincides

I personally think that they are more likely to be better solves from my experience, they are separate scramble types for a reason. Maybe we could get as many people are willing to do an average of 5-25 with both scramble types and see if there is any correlation on a larger scale instead of just one person doing it.

I was doing this just for a video, and I didn't wanted to do 200 solves in one day, and I still want to make the video, maybe I could also include some of yours averages to show that is or isn't

 

[Caleb Valenzuela]

I wouldn’t, because OH scrambles seem to be easier.

 

[AJT17]

I was doing this just for a video, and I didn't wanted to do 200 solves in one day, and I still want to make the video, maybe I could also include some of yours averages to show that is or isn't

Yeah, feel free to use any average I post in this thread. I know doing so many solves as just one person isn't reasonable, so splitting it up among more makes it more reliable with a larger set and more types of people.

 

[CubeLite]

Yeah, feel free to use any average I post in this thread. I know doing so many solves as just one person isn't reasonable, so splitting it up among more makes it more reliable with a larger set and more types of people.

Ok, then I think I will wait on this video, and maybe start the how to become sub x on skewb serie, since it was the next video I want to make, but I think I will make this one a bigger proiect, and maybe I will also do more solves to see

 

[CubeLite]

So If anyone wants to help in finding the answer, you can also do some solves, and I'll probably add to the sum and to the video

 

[OtaMota]

I personally think that they are more likely to be better solves from my experience, they are separate scramble types for a reason. Maybe we could get as many people are willing to do an average of 5-25 with both scramble types and see if there is any correlation on a larger scale instead of just one person doing it.

As gloopy gum alr mentioned, OH and TH scrams are scrambled with the exact same algorithm. Keep in mind that the scrambles for most events are random state with no bias to any state. Having different scrams for oh or th would contradict no bias between the states

 

[qwr]

Logically it would make no sense for OH scrambles to be easier. How would you even define "easier" to the scrambler?

 

[AJT17]

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As gloopy gum alr mentioned, OH and TH scrams are scrambled with the exact same algorithm. Keep in mind that the scrambles for most events are random state with no bias to any state. Having different scrams for oh or th would contradict no bias between the states

I understand that they are exactly the same, but they just feel better, and I do better on them. Thanks for confirming that they are generated the same though!

 

[CubeLite]

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As gloopy gum alr mentioned, OH and TH scrams are scrambled with the exact same algorithm. Keep in mind that the scrambles for most events are random state with no bias to any state. Having different scrams for oh or th would contradict no bias between the states

Thanks for clarifiyng

I understand that they are exactly the same, but they just feel better, and I do better on them. Thanks for confirming that they are generated the same though!

And yea, I also felt in those scrambles that like the cross was better, F2L pairs, and don't forget the 5 PLLS SKIPS, so like 1 in 10

I'm still making the video for fun