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Agree with you Logan.

I believe that homosexuality can also be brought up by pure emotional factors, not just physical/hereditary or psychological ones produced by the environment. I'm straight but if my wife would have been born a man, I would have become gay right away. She thinks the same.

As an example, I happen to know a girl who at her early 30's became in love with long time friend... got her heart crushed though, as her friend politely declined any further dealings with her.
 
I agree with the above and Athefre. Why should you care what another person's sexual orientation is? Sure, I'm straight. But I do notice the the level of physical and emotional attractiveness of individuals of the same gender. I personally have never been attracted to another male, but I've definitely thought "haha, look at that ugly bastard" or "he's annoying" or "he's a pretty good looking dude" or "he's pretty cool, I'd hang out with him." Does that make me homosexual in the least? No, it does not. I think it's possible to be a born homo/bisexual or to develop a sexuality other than being "straight" in your lifetime. You could change from one sexuality to another simply because of your own feelings, or maybe because of the influence of someone else.
 
I am straight (I believe) and don't have anything against another sexuality. However society trys to force everyone to be straight and explain how horrible being anything but straight is. It's peoples lives and I believe tat they should be able to do anything they want as long as it doesn't hurt anyones rights. People who think being gay is disgusting have the right to say their opinions, but they should be open to hear other peoples opinions before just saying,"No, I don't care. Your wrong and I'm right." (reminds me of my bro.) I mean if you are attracted to someone don't let others tell you its weird or "notnormal" just do what you feel. I believe I'm straight most of the time, but I really wouldn't be that ashamed if I were anything else.
 
hatter: "Then what is the point of the clitoris?" I know you didn't ask why is it there, and you were making a point with it, but the reason it exists is because it's an undeveloped penis. Everybody is born with both, and that final chromosome is what decides what stays and what goes.

This issue is such a touchy subject, and I'm surprised this thread has been kept this clean. Except for TheRubik'sGod, but whatever.

I'll flat out admit this: I generally bash gay people. I'm just not into it. You'll hear me crack gay jokes, and come on, they're generally pretty funny. So are fat jokes, racist jokes, and (the few that aren't over used) your mom jokes.

That being said: I have a very close friend who I found out is gay. Honestly, had I known he was gay when we met, I'd have never let myself get close to him. Call this mean, call this wrong, but it's how I am. When I was young, I was brought up in a pretty anti-gay environment until my teenage years. That friend and I are incredibly close now, and as disgusting as I think it is that he has a boyfriend, I'm still incredibly close to him, would hate to lose him as a friend, and I've spent time around him with his boyfriend.

I've had extensive debates with people about this very subject. Unless you argue the biblical aspect of it, you can't win a "Homosexuality is wrong" argument (unless you set up some hypothetical situations). Marriage as a whole promotes the economy, this includes Gay Marriage. One of my strong opinions about gay marriage, is more about gay parents adopting. Kids these days receive a lot of flack for being gay, and having gay parents, etc. This will ultimately make or break a kid. People have used counter arguments about "so is being black, being fat, etc." but flat out, at least in my small redneck town, the gayer you act, seem, or rumored, the more you have to deal with. Unfortunately, the only way for this to change is to let society see gay people. The more we rule it out, the worse it gets. Segregation ended years ago, but you don't have to go far to see black/white issues.

I don't really feel like this sort of topic can go much of anywhere other than people posting their opinions. I was really hoping when I read the thread title that this thread would be more about libido / sexual activity, than it would be about homo vs hetero sexuality.
 
I'm 17, pantheist, and straight. I see nothing wrong with homosexuality/homosexuals as long as they just want to be treated equally/not infringe on others' rights. I can definitely see how you guys are saying that sexuality is not 100% certain, because when I meet a guy I do think whether he is attractive or not (physically/emotionally). However, when any thoughts of intimacy come into my mind, I get sort of disgusted. I'm not sure if that's due to how I was raised, but I can't, at least as of now, see myself in a relationship with another man.

qq does bring up a good point though. I wonder if it's just the emotional/physical characteristics commonly associated with women that I'm attracted to. Weird to think about.
 
This thread is about how sexuality is defined, not whether various forms of sexuality are right or wrong. And it is certainly not the place for a religious bawwww-fest. Any further posts in that direction will warrant whatever punishment I see fit.
 
I guess what I'm really asking is, on the deepest level, is the attraction to the gender itself, or to characteristics that almost entirely fall on one side of the gender spectrum?

I think someone who identifies as strictly hetero or homo would only really date someone having a matching sex and gender. But again, it will vary from person to person.
 
I just want to throw this out there. Point being, once upon a time the greatest civilisation on the planet was fully accepting of homosexual activities.

Also, something that qqwref touched on, is the idea that one is not attracted to any particular sex, but rather characteristics of a sex (let's not bring "gender" into this, it is a separate issue). My understanding of Kirjava is that he is attracted to guys that have particularly feminine characteristics. So one might ask "why go for guys then, when it's female characteristics that I desire?"
Pros: there are more options available (albeit there is not a large population of feminine males); you can avoid needy/etc. type girls that you really only want for the sex; penis maybe tastes good?
Cons: no vagina/breasts; potential for exaggeration of feminine mindedness when guys are trying to be as feminine as possible (most girls are not 100% "girly", or even close), whereas I think most guys would want a balance of feminine mindedness mixed with hardy-womanness; potential for role-confusion.

I won't bother discussing lesbianism seeing as that has been completely ignored so far.
 
I consider myself straight. but I do have a "guys I'd go for" list. I'm not scared to show affection for the same gender, I see nothing wrong with being attracted to someone no matter the sex. I love rainbows and puppies.
 
16, agnostic

I really doubt this. I'm sure there has been a time when you've looked at an attractive (according to most) man, and thought that he was good looking.

I can legitimately say this has never happened to me. It just simply doesn't occur to me to think about another man being handsome. But is it because I consider myself forced by society to be strictly heterosexual? No. Do I care if other men think that way? Not at all.

Everyone also overuses the word gay.

"straight" too. I just don't like the use of that specific word to describe heterosexuality. It just comes across to me too much as saying "this is normal" and implying that anything else is strange



Also, I can make the true statement that proportionally, there are more heterosexual people that I dislike than non-hetero people.
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Agreed with waffo. I'm straight, but I can look at other girls and say "damn, she looks good." Consider it a compliment. I definitely have my list of girlies I'd go lesbo for. It's just a matter of how comfortable you are with your sexuality. Also, I have a cousin who is gay. It hurts to see that there are people out there who can't accept him based on his orientation.
 
wow.

in my opinion, sexuality does indeed exist. sexuality in terms of sexual preference is irrelevant. sexuality as in drive/libido does indeed exist (the capacity we have for sexual experiences).

there are many many many arguments in all areas of science about this topic. i think the most important thing to be noted about sexuality in terms of sexual preference is that any behavior (in humans at least) is not proven to be linked to genetics (at least in preference over one gender). in my opinion, i believe sexual preference is psycholocial (mostly social) however to be mentioned; oedipus complexes, reversed oedipal complexes, and westermarck effects. among other things for sexuality; social accpetance, religious beliefs, traumatic responses.

i think that puberty has little effect on sexual preference, it is just the driving force behind acting upon behaviors which they have learned to be socially acceptable. maybe not even "learned" as much as what behaviors they believe would make them more socially accepted. i think more and more with every generation we are leaning more towards gender neutral in terms of sexual attraction. and in my opinion, more animalistic behavior. like someone stated about thinking that any gender is attractive, i believe the thoughts that race through our mind are becoming less conflicted by social acceptance (as homosexuality is becoming more and more socially accepted). therefore, the probability that one would think about having sex with this attraction is higher.

also, getting attention, in any sort of form, makes you more socially accepted. wether it is by the socially acceptable group to the majority or a minority, sometimes this is also a driving factor to sexual preference. also the ever so popular conversation amongst homosexual partners, my partner knows what to do to me sexually because they know what they like and they do it to me. i know the OP didn't really mean sexuality in terms of a capacity for sexual encounters, however with the decreasing oppression of homosexuals/bisexuals, i believe the more sexuality one has (now a days) the more apt they are to have a bisexual/homosexual encounter and find that they like it. lets face it, its sex. sex is great.

and to talk about sexuality as a sexual preference, but not in the topic of sex, but other attractions like loving your partner, i believe that all humans can love another. in my personal opinion, i have a hard time finding love with the opposite sex in the way i would with my wife ONLY because she is the mother to my children. other than that, i would be able to find the same love that i have for my wife in a man. and most definately i wouldnt reject the opportunity with a sexual encounter with a man, if the opportunity presented itself in the right way. i mean, a man knows what i like without having to tell them/show them?

i admit i am not seeking to find a relationship with a man, but only because i already have a deep relationship with my wife. however, if i wasnt in this relationship, im not sure if i would seek a man or not. i guess i'm a little far from my sexual prime and i dont typically think sexually when i see an attractive man, or woman for that matter. of course, if a woman is naked or presenting herself in a sexual fashion, i naturally think sexually. but a man, i tend to compare. i guess its just my nature. and at this time in my life, i really dont care about the social factor. im not in highschool anymore lol.

edit: to touch on what dene stated:

to be attracted to a male with feminine characteristics could be an underlying dominance complex. imagine a male who was bullied as a child? the need to feel dominating over another male as an act of retaliation? i agree with your comment about role confusion, however i dont think that would be the case in a dominance complex in which the role must be absolute, to dominate over the male. but, i think kirjava's relationships with males go much deeper than sexual, dont be so naive. and not to say that kirjava has a dominance complex, as i do not know him at all, but it could be a more probable explanation than penis tastes good.

also, to say that a con is no breasts/vagina, only if he desired a female but in fact chose a male for a sexual partner would this be true. like i state in my post, when talking with homosexual partners about sex, the single most stated thing is how good it feels because they know what i like because they are the same gender as me. also, for males there is a pitcher/catcher, so some males find pleasure not having to be the one doing the work, or being the one to bring pleasure. just let that steep a little bit and you might be able to understand that one. i dont want to go much further with that one.

also, there is also the oedipus complex, however in gender identity crisis. maybe he seeks males sexually, but emotionally wants to be with one like his mother? there are just so many factors that are not sexual. and if you meant that it was a con that he seeks a feminine male that has no breasts/vagina? maybe its just what is sexually unattractive?
 
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I really doubt this. I'm sure there has been a time when you've looked at an attractive (according to most) man, and thought that he was good looking. I know I've done this. I'm straight, but there are those moments (like Athefre said) where you think "I could see myself being into that eventually". It's natural to be curious; To wonder what it would be like, or perhaps even imagine it.

EDIT: Also, a question for you all (stolen from PKA (a podcast)): If you were married and magically switched bodies with your spouse. Would you have sex just to see what it was like?

Just because I can tell if a guy isn't ugly does not mean i'm attracted to him. And no, i'm not curious....yes anyone can imagine something like that, but it's not for me.
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If you truly believe gay people are born with their disease they should have their own rooms to change in.

Despite the rage people have had against TheManInBlack, this is a good point. However, I've previously thought of it a but differently of course: instead of continually separating different sexual orientations everyone should just share whatever and not care. Obviously this wouldn't work in modern society, however, even though the main reason we separate is because of sexual orientation.
 
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All I'm saying is no one is really "100% straight". We're all a little gay sometimes.

All i'm saying as that i'm not a "little gay sometimes"....
Some people would look at this and say that i'm insecure about my sexual orientation.
I just don't like people calling me things that i'm not. That applies to like everything I do.
Maybe you're not 100% straight, but I'd like to think i'm pretty close.
I don't find the male personality attractive in nearly any way, as I don't get excited over the male physicality either.
And that's okay either way, for either of us.
 
Despite the rage people have had against TheManInBlack, this is a good point. However, I've previously thought of it a but differently of course: instead of continually separating different sexual orientations everyone should just share whatever and not care. Obviously this wouldn't work in modern society, however, even though the main reason we separate is because of sexual orientation.

The problem is that, firstly, children know that they are different. So curiosity is going to lead to a variety of problems.

There will also be embarrassment for different children. Of course, perhaps if the entire mentality of society changed so that no one cared about the physical form then there would be no issues. However I think this is impossible; there is a lot of evidence to show genetic preferences for various traits, such as waist-hip ratio, which explains why corsets are so sexy.

I don't think I even need to bother explaining why this would be a horrible idea with teenagers/adults. Rates of sexual assault would go through the roof.
 
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