Seth - yet another method involving 2GLL.

[a small kitten]

For ZZ and Petrus adaptations it'll pretty much be similar to CPLS right? Except you don't have to put the corner of the last slot in DFR. And yah. 2GLL is very fast for OH. Most of them can be done sub 2.

 

[Diniz]

I'm not sure about my thoughts with this and OH. I've been wondering this for a few days.

One one hand, 2GLL is nice, and much has been proven with CFOP.
For CFOP,
We have the full 81 cases
then 2GLL

For ZZ/Petrus (assuming you do the EO of Petrus and not just build blocks
We have a reduced # of cases, making it fairly pointless to do this method.
then 2GLL

Thoughts?

For ZZ and Petrus its reduces to CPLS...

 

[Cyrus C.]

For ZZ and Petrus its reduces to CPLS...

Hmm? If I were to use Seth with Petrus, it would still reduce the cube to 2GLL. It's just not worth it since one of the advantages of Seth is that you're solving EO, CP, and the final pair at the same time. If used with Petrus or ZZ, you would've done EO in a different step, and all you'd do during Seth is twisting a corner, and CP. Kind of like having to use 2 look PLL for the rest of your solving days...

Also, yes, Seth seems most similar to CPLS. Excluding CPEOLL.

EDIT: Oh wait. You meant it would reduce you to the step after CPLS, 2GLL,

 

[a small kitten]

But only the I and Im cases. In CPLS you don't have to place the corner.

I think in the future we can expect ZZf2l with three slots and the last edge going sub 10. imo that's the only way to justify doing CPLS 2GLL.

 

[Diniz]

But only the I and Im cases. In CPLS you don't have to place the corner.

I think in the future we can expect ZZf2l with three slots and the last edge going sub 10. imo that's the only way to justify doing CPLS 2GLL.

Yeah, sorry, Seth when used for ZZ/Petrus is a subset of CPLS

 

[StachuK1992]

Haha! I'm dumb. Considering I'm the one that developed CPLS, you'd think I knew that it would reduce into a subset of it, eh?
Yes, it would be a CPLS subset; sorry for the stupidity.

So basically, if you want to, just use CPLS, and don't call it Seth.

-statue


To clarify:
For ZZ/Petrus Seth, it's a subset of CPLS. Not CFOP.

 

[Cyrus C.]

Only way I can think to apply Seth to Petrus:

1. 2x2x2.
2. 2x2x3.
3. Holding the 2x2x3 in the bottom left, orient the BL and EL edges.
4. 1x2x2.
5. Seth Setup.
6. Seth.
7. 2GLL.

It's decent, but CPLS or MGLS would probably be better. This can of course work for ZZ as well, with some minor alterations. I wouldn't recommend using Seth with Petrus though in this fashion. If anyone has a better idea....

 

[CubicNL]

I'm just flashing an idea that I had when reading this thread.

If you would use Seth in CFOP solve (Obviously without O and P)
Why not insert the Seth "CE-pair" as your first pair?
And if would approach it as an X-Cross, you could easily X-Cross every solve.
Maybe even double X-Crosses (sometimes) in 15sec inspection time? (i'm really not the best cuber and actually I hardly ever make an X-cross :fp )
With nicer Seth-algs Seth would be rather fast I guess, because 2GLL is sweet.

 

[StachuK1992]

I'm just flashing an idea that I had when reading this thread.

If you would use Seth in CFOP solve (Obviously without O and P)
Why not insert the Seth "CE-pair" as your first pair?
And if would approach it as an X-Cross, you could easily X-Cross every solve.
Maybe even double X-Crosses (sometimes) in 15sec inspection time? (i'm really not the best cuber and actually I hardly ever make an X-cross :fp )
With nicer Seth-algs Seth would be rather fast I guess, because 2GLL is sweet.

This actually looks somewhat promising; I'll look into it for a bit.

 

[Cyrus C.]

Mmhm. I called these Sethcrosses in my example solve. They're very easy to do, and spotting them shouldn't be hard. The beauty of Seth is that you don't have to save it for your LS, so if you can't find a good pair, you can just do Seth.

By the way, if anybody wants some up to date Seth algs, you can find them here: http://tinyurl.com/3ahpl7s I'll still be updating them more before learning, but they're much better than the first version.

 

[Rubiks560]

Hmm.....sounds interesting. I plan on learning this for OH, as soon as the algs better.

 

[oll+phase+sync]

I'm not sure this is obvious (or already posted), but to get started with seth it might be a good idea

- to always place the seth edge oriented , that should cut the alg count in half (roundabout)
- using partial edge control, to enforce two oriented edges, is another starting point I would use.
- I like CLS I/Im (not learned though) but again for somebody new to Seth and CLS it might be better to go with 6 more Seth algs instead of 16 for CLS (I'm not sure this 6 are already a subset of CLS)

What's the alg count then for seth?


Sethcrosses - I also missed this Xcross simplifier , sounds good.

 

[buelercuber]

Sounds like zeroing IMO

 

[StachuK1992]

Sounds like zeroing IMO

What?

 

[Cyrus C.]

I'm not sure this is obvious (or already posted), but to get started with seth it might be a good idea

- to always place the seth edge oriented , that should cut the alg count in half (roundabout)

Yea, this cuts the alg count down to 44 algorithms. But, Seth set up will have a higher move count so you won't want to stick with this. The move count would be nearly equal to a CFOP LS on about half the solves.

- using partial edge control, to enforce two oriented edges, is another starting point I would use.

This also raises the move count. Plus, there are only 9 dot cases for Seth, not many.

- I like CLS I/Im (not learned though) but again for somebody new to Seth and CLS it might be better to go with 6 more Seth algs instead of 16 for CLS (I'm not sure this 6 are already a subset of CLS)

Mmhm. I'll be mixing in those cases with my Seth solves.

What's the alg count then for seth?

80 Algorithms. Can be reduced with mirrors and such though.

Sethcrosses - I also missed this Xcross simplifier , sounds good.

So, a beginner would be able to get by without all the algorithms. To compete with other methods you'll need to learn all of them though. I and Im cases are a good idea, at least learning the fast algs.

P.S. This is a real method. Disregard Buelercuber's post.

 

[StachuK1992]

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