Sausage's Hybrid Solution?

[dChan]

http://twistypuzzles.com/solutions/3x3x3-01-step7.shtml

How is this a fast solution as the author says? Too many steps it seems.

 

[Cubinator]

That would be intuitive f2l + 4-step LL, I believe

 

[pjk]

Yeah, looks like Fridrich 4LLL.

 

[dChan]

The guy claims this is fast, but it is obviously a beginners method so how is it fast?

 

[pjk]

What do you consider fast? Joel Van Noort avg. sub-20 with a beginners method, he also avg's sub-15 with full Fridrich.

 

[dChan]

I consider anything 25 and below fast. But this would require a lot of practice right?

 

[pjk]

Okay, yeah, of course it takes a lot of practice. You can do anything you put your mind to.

 

[dChan]

Icky, but it probably won't get you to sub-15 huh?

 

[pjk]

Now that would be a tough one, but I bet it is possible. However, you'd be better off investing your time in a more efficient method.

 

[dChan]

I wonder if it is possible to get sub-15 with a 2-look LL but an intuitive pairing F2L. I'd imagine it wouldn't be that hard.

 

[AvGalen]

Yes, that would be possible. it would take LOOOOTS of practice though.

 

[Erik]

Hmm, intuitive F2L is not (very) different from my F2L, just a couple (not much) extra shortcuts....

 

[pjk]

Hmmm.... intuitive F2L is how most top Fridrich cubers pair. I am not top, yet, but I use pretty much all intuition and can avg just under 19 sec.

 

[dChan]

I do keyhole with intutive pairing(when it is easy to see how to pair them). But I am trying to learn a fully intutive c/e pairing F2L and the guides I'm reading don't help. Actually I usually 'accidentally' place piece together by myself. Is there a good guide for this?

 

[pjk]

cubestation.co.uk, go to 3x3 CFOP and check out the F2L section.

 

[Cubinator]

Originally posted by dChan@Apr 23 2007, 05:31 PM
I do keyhole with intutive pairing(when it is easy to see how to pair them). But I am trying to learn a fully intutive c/e pairing F2L and the guides I'm reading don't help. Actually I usually 'accidentally' place piece together by myself. Is there a good guide for this?

There are two basic ways you can insert a c/e pair: R U R' and R U' R'. Do the inverses of these (and all other algorithms I use) to see what they solve. There's also F' U F and F' U' F. These four form the basis of intuitive F2L.

In order to do the F2L intuitively, all you really do is set up these cases and then execute them. In order to do that, you have to do F' or R (if the pair is the FR pair) to bring one of the two pieces in the pair out of the top layer. You can then move the top layer freely and do the inverse of the first move, and you have an entirely different case.

Just play around with it a little. You should be able to figure it out just by using these basic concepts.

 

[dChan]

Yeah, those moves are understood. I just have a problem remembering how to pair certain combinations, although I guess that's why its intuitive.

 

[AvGalen]

DChan >> I wonder if it is possible to get sub-15 with a 2-look LL but an intuitive pairing F2L. I'd imagine it wouldn't be that hard.
AvGalen >> Yes, that would be possible. it would take LOOOOTS of practice though.
Erik >> Hmm, intuitive F2L is not (very) different from my F2L, just a couple (not much) extra shortcuts....

Erik: are you saying that to prove my point, or are you saying you didn't have LOOOOTS of practice?

PJK >> Hmmm.... intuitive F2L is how most top Fridrich cubers pair

PJK: I think they started with intuitive F2L, learned algs for their worst cases and now they might have done each alg so many times that the algs have become intuitive again.

 

[Erik]

Err. no I just say almost all 'algo's' are found by myself...
Of course later on I checked some, but why do you think intuitive F2L is so different from learning all 'algo's' from a site? I'd say 75% of the original algs are the same and 90% of the same lenght.....