[Proposal] Rename the Ortega 2x2 Method to Varasano

If you are gonna change the name then you should imo change it to something that actually describes the method. FOP is actually a good option (face orient permute). But it's just a name so who really honestly cares what it's called? Same stuff in different package...
 
If you are gonna change the name then you should imo change it to something that actually describes the method. FOP is actually a good option (face orient permute). But it's just a name so who really honestly cares what it's called? Same stuff in different package...

but acronyms are lame
 
If you are gonna change the name then you should imo change it to something that actually describes the method. FOP is actually a good option (face orient permute). But it's just a name so who really honestly cares what it's called? Same stuff in different package...

Give a name such as Ortega which credits the wrong person?
If most people are indifferent about the subject then just let's give the right credit to the creator
 
If you are gonna change the name then you should imo change it to something that actually describes the method. FOP is actually a good option (face orient permute). But it's just a name so who really honestly cares what it's called? Same stuff in different package...

Imagine creating some amazing product and then having someone take it and put their name on it.
I don't know about you, but I'd be pretty pissed.
 
I'm down with this. Also, I live near Atlanta so I'll be sure to try to go to his pizza place :D
Who doesn't love some pizza? Besides lactose intolerant people.
 
After watching the video, what jumps to me first is the strange oversight (I assume) of only speaking about Ortega and not mentioning Josef Jelinek, which was another developer of this method, even more because the messages you quote seem to actually be from him (Josef) and not from Victor as you seem to be implying in the video, which was confusing. I think Josef is probably the main reason this method is so popular in the first place. People back then didn't really care about naming methods or who developed what first, they just wanted to get things solved.

It would have been interesting if you could have gotten in contact with Victor and get his thoughts as well to support some of the statements you make in the video regarding the authors.

If for nothing more, it's nice that you made this video to raise awareness for Jeff's work and to let people know that this method was already known in the 1980s and there was some published material on it. I have not read the book, but regardless, the method name branding is a minor issue.

Even though I can absolutely agree credit should be given to Jeff for developing it as a 3x3 method before anyone else (which unfortunately can't ever be proven for sure), by either giving his name to the method or have the reference as method author, I also think it's not entirely fair to disregard the work Victor/Josef had in popularizing it, particularly the 2x2 aspect of it, and completely discard that reference: you mention in the video Jeff did "all the work", and that Victor/Josef "basically just made it popular" as if to say that that has no work involved. I am not sure if that's what you meant, but if it was, it's a bit unfair. It's not the same type of work, but it's also not nothing. Would it be a known and much used method otherwise? Who knows...

I think the sanest route if you want to change it, could be to start using both naming references, so that people can start acknowledging the name of the author and also know what others are talking about when they are speaking about the Ortega method, but it should not be a big issue.
 
I'm down with this. Also, I live near Atlanta so I'll be sure to try to go to his pizza place :D
Who doesn't love some pizza? Besides lactose intolerant people.

I'm lactose intolerant and I probably ate 8 slices of his pizza. ;)

After watching the video, what jumps to me first is the strange oversight (I assume) of only speaking about Ortega and not mentioning Josef Jelinek, which was another developer of this method, even more because the messages you quote seem to actually be from him (Josef) and not from Victor as you seem to be implying in the video, which was confusing. I think Josef is probably the main reason this method is so popular in the first place. People back then didn't really care about naming methods or who developed what first, they just wanted to get things solved.

It would have been interesting if you could have gotten in contact with Victor and get his thoughts as well to support some of the statements you make in the video regarding the authors.

If for nothing more, it's nice that you made this video to raise awareness for Jeff's work and to let people know that this method was already known in the 1980s and there was some published material on it. I have not read the book, but regardless, the method name branding is a minor issue.

Even though I can absolutely agree credit should be given to Jeff for developing it as a 3x3 method before anyone else (which unfortunately can't ever be proven for sure), by either giving his name to the method or have the reference as method author, I also think it's not entirely fair to disregard the work Victor/Josef had in popularizing it, particularly the 2x2 aspect of it, and completely discard that reference: you mention in the video Jeff did "all the work", and that Victor/Josef "basically just made it popular" as if to say that that has no work involved. I am not sure if that's what you meant, but if it was, it's a bit unfair. It's not the same type of work, but it's also not nothing. Would it be a known and much used method otherwise? Who knows...

I think the sanest route if you want to change it, could be to start using both naming references, so that people can start acknowledging the name of the author and also know what others are talking about when they are speaking about the Ortega method, but it should not be a big issue.

Yeah, I did kind of skip over Josef. Not intentionally though, I just got used to referring to Ortega as the soul creator and it ended up being habit to say that.
Out of curiosity, does anyone know why it was called Ortega if Josef played a significant role in creating it?

Would people *actually* settle on calling it VO? I'd be all for it as it credits both people. But if people are going to refuse to call it VO, I'm just going to continue calling it Varasano.
 
I wonder if in a couple of years' time, someone else will show up claiming to be the guy who gave Varasano the idea, and we'll have this same debate again...
 
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