Prerequisites for ZBLL

[Rainger]

I’m about to start learning ZBLL and I wanted some input from yall experts.

Are there any prerequisite alg sets that you feel are required to make learning ZBLL more possible/easier to digest? Or do other alg sets just give you a backup to default to while learning ZBLL?

Thanks!

Rainger

 

[AJT17]

I’m about to start learning ZBLL and I wanted some input from yall experts.

Are there any prerequisite alg sets that you feel are required to make learning ZBLL more possible/easier to digest? Or do other alg sets just give you a backup to default to while learning ZBLL?

Thanks!

Rainger

It would be useful to learn COLL just to get a feel for CP (Corner Permutation) recognition, but actually doing COLL in solves is not that practical. There are only 40 algs, and 6 CP cases per OCLL, 4 for H so it is a relatively short alg set to learn.
Then you can work on learning ZBLL through each of the CP cases which each have 12 ZBLL's per CP case. You should also learn full CP sets at a time and practice that set along with the ones you've previously learnt instead of going an alg a day or some other variation.
I would also recommend learning a good recognition method immediately so you can start out knowing how to use ZBLL's in the best way. I would recommend BH (Baum Harris) as it is considered one of the best recognition methods.
Full ZBLL algs with multiple options. This doc also has a ton of extra websites that you can look at. I would also use bestsiteever.ru to train the cases.

Juju ZBLL

docs.google.com

ZBLL trainer next

A timer-like tool to learn and practice zbll algorithms. You can specify ZBLL cases & catigories to practice, recap forgotten ZBLLs, create presets to practise and learn. More info on the speedsolving thread

bestsiteever.ru

This doc goes over all of the main recognition methods so you can also look at some other versions if BH doesn't work well for you.

OreKehStrah's ZBLL Recognition Method Comparison

docs.google.com

 

[Rainger]

It would be useful to learn COLL just to get a feel for CP (Corner Permutation) recognition, but actually doing COLL in solves is not that practical. There are only 40 algs, and 6 CP cases per OCLL, 4 for H so it is a relatively short alg set to learn.
Then you can work on learning ZBLL through each of the CP cases which each have 12 ZBLL's per CP case. You should also learn full CP sets at a time and practice that set along with the ones you've previously learnt instead of going an alg a day or some other variation.
I would also recommend learning a good recognition method immediately so you can start out knowing how to use ZBLL's in the best way. I would recommend BH (Baum Harris) as it is considered one of the best recognition methods.
Full ZBLL algs with multiple options. This doc also has a ton of extra websites that you can look at. I would also use bestsiteever.ru to train the cases.

Juju ZBLL

docs.google.com

ZBLL trainer next

A timer-like tool to learn and practice zbll algorithms. You can specify ZBLL cases & catigories to practice, recap forgotten ZBLLs, create presets to practise and learn. More info on the speedsolving thread

bestsiteever.ru

This doc goes over all of the main recognition methods so you can also look at some other versions if BH doesn't work well for you.

OreKehStrah's ZBLL Recognition Method Comparison

docs.google.com

You rock!

 

[OreKehStrah]

You rock!

Don’t bother with COLL. Just start ZBLL. You gotta learn the CP recog anyway. May as well just learn it for the ZBLL set you’re working on. I’d start with U ZBLL and learn a COLL set at a time and practice them until you’re comfortable.

 

[pTr]

I’ve recently started learning ZBLL, and I’ve found a recognition method that works for me:

OLL Case Recognition
I start by identifying the OLL case — things like U, Pi, T, S+ / S-, H, and L. I can usually recognise these 3–4 moves before finishing ZBLS.

ZBLL Subset Classification
I don’t know the official name, but I group the U-face OLL cases into subsets: UD, UB, UF, UL, UR, and UU. It helps me compartmentalise the cases faster.

Pair Recognition (My System)
For pair recognition, I use a verbal shorthand. Take this example:
R' U' R U' F U' R' U R U R' U R U' F' — which I call "UD 2 3 4 5 and 8 9".
The algorithm I use for that case is:
R U R' L' U2 (R U' R' U') R U' M' x'.

Here's how my system works:
Every sticker on the U layer (that isn't currently on the U face) gets a number. I start counting from 1 at LBU and go clockwise, ending at 12 for BUL. If a case has non-matching but opposite colour pairs, I call it “bad ## and ##” instead of naming colours.

 

[Deleted member 36445]

It would be useful to learn COLL just to get a feel for CP

Don’t bother with COLL

Someone makes a question, and two people offer totally opposing views.

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[Rainger]

I’ve recently started learning ZBLL, and I’ve found a recognition method that works for me:

OLL Case Recognition
I start by identifying the OLL case — things like U, Pi, T, S+ / S-, H, and L. I can usually recognise these 3–4 moves before finishing ZBLS.

ZBLL Subset Classification
I don’t know the official name, but I group the U-face OLL cases into subsets: UD, UB, UF, UL, UR, and UU. It helps me compartmentalise the cases faster.

Pair Recognition (My System)
For pair recognition, I use a verbal shorthand. Take this example:
R' U' R U' F U' R' U R U R' U R U' F' — which I call "UD 2 3 4 5 and 8 9".
The algorithm I use for that case is:
R U R' L' U2 (R U' R' U') R U' M' x'.

Here's how my system works:
Every sticker on the U layer (that isn't currently on the U face) gets a number. I start counting from 1 at LBU and go clockwise, ending at 12 for BUL. If a case has non-matching but opposite colour pairs, I call it “bad ## and ##” instead of naming colours.

Good info! So you’re saying OLL would be a general requirement for ZBLL? Or just like you know OLL so you’re using that information?

 

[PapaSmurf]

The 2 look prerequesite is OLL and PLL.

If you use CFOP, definitely learn OLL. If you don't use CFOP, don't learn OLL but the OLL equivalent.

You don't need to learn COLL, but do learn ZBLL by COLL set.

If you want to be fast, learn ZBLL, but prioritise drilling your PLL algs so that you have good turning. Try to sub 1.2 all of them. This will mean that, when you get round to learning ZBLL, you will learn them properly with good fingertricks. There's no point having to relearn the algs with better turning later. Do the same with OLL if you use CFOP.

Also have good PLL recog, just because it's good for you.

When you get to learning ZBLL, use https://pepkin88.me/zbll-explorer/ and any other sources you find. You'll get a feel for good algs when you try them.

Hope this helps!

 

[abunickabhi]

COLL and CMLL should be comfortable sets, also you should be fluent with alg learning and have a well defined spaced repetition training process for alg learning yo

 

[pTr]

Good info! So you’re saying OLL would be a general requirement for ZBLL? Or just like you know OLL so you’re using that information?

I personally think it's a little dumb to tell people you have to learn XYZ alg set before XYZ. I don't know "full" OLL, but I know and can recall about 230+ algs.

 

[Deleted member 36445]

COLL and CMLL should be comfortable sets, also you should be fluent with alg learning and have a well defined spaced repetition training process for alg learning yo

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[pTr]

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